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novak2 09-25-2020 02:34 PM

Panasonic th-42px60en plasma TV takes time to turn on and make clicking noises
 
Hello there,

I recently bought a Panasonic th-42px60en plasma TV second hand. The problem is :
The TV takes time to turn on from cold (being unplugged from the night for example), it tries to turn on with the clicking sound, then shuts off, then retries and so on. The TV is still working, just it takes time to boot.

From what I've read it seems to be bad capacitors on the power board, but I just want to see if anyone had the same problem with this TV.

Thanks in advance.

petehall347 09-25-2020 04:01 PM

Re: Panasonic th-42px60en plasma TV takes time to turn on and make clicking noises
 
take a look and see if any bulged ones

novak2 09-26-2020 02:29 AM

Re: Panasonic th-42px60en plasma TV takes time to turn on and make clicking noises
 
There's no bulged caps, but there were some, after testing them, that were faulty. I replaced them but the problem is still there.
I have 2 relays on the power board, but it looks like there's only one working at start up. Any help ?

novak2 09-26-2020 02:55 AM

Re: Panasonic th-42px60en plasma TV takes time to turn on and make clicking noises
 
Ok, I tested all the caps, they are all good. What could it be ?

novak2 09-26-2020 06:09 AM

Re: Panasonic th-42px60en plasma TV takes time to turn on and make clicking noises
 
Ok some news here. It seems to be the video board, because when I unplug it, the TV stays eletrically on (nothing on screen, but I think it's normal since I removed video and RF board)

novak2 09-26-2020 07:41 AM

Re: Panasonic th-42px60en plasma TV takes time to turn on and make clicking noises
 
So, more news.
When I disconnect the AV/RF board, turn on the TV, and hot plug it in, the TV works. But now, I have no sound, speaker worked fine berore.

novak2 09-26-2020 07:51 AM

Re: Panasonic th-42px60en plasma TV takes time to turn on and make clicking noises
 
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Here some pics

novak2 09-27-2020 09:08 AM

Re: Panasonic th-42px60en plasma TV takes time to turn on and make clicking noises
 
So, let me recap this.

The TV is a Panasonic TH-42PX60EN plasma. When the power cord is plugged and the power button pressed, the TV clicks, attept to turn on, and then shuts off, then it retries again and again. After some fast analysis on the power board, there is NO bulging cap visible. This is the same for the other boards, no bulging caps apparently. When I disconnect the power cable of the AV boards (where there are HDMI in, SCART in etc...), the TV tries to come on, but it last LONGER than before. Sometimes, after 2-3 attempts, I can turn on the TV by unpluging the power cable of the AV boards, power on the TV, and hot plug it in. The TV works fine, except there is no sound. Speakers works tho, so I think it is just a problem on the audio procesing part of the AV boards. When I turn the TV off, if I don't wait too much time, I can put it back on perfectly without hot plug out/in the power cable of the AV boards.

So here's some theories :
- There are multiple (or just a single) bad capacitor on the power board that has not bulged, but is just weak, and so the TV needs some time to power on by charging slowly the capacitors.

- There are some problems with the AV boards, maybe bad caps or overheated chips (the overheating one might be for the audio in this case).

I also precise that :
- This TV is second hand, I bought it cheap because the problem with the clicking relay was known.

- This TV has been torn down for cleaning by the previous owner, and I didn't found any kind of thermal pads on the AV boards where it seems to need it, when I disassemble it myself yesterday.

- I cannot found anything for this problem for THIS exact model. I found many articles/videos that talks about it for other TVs, always some kind of caps bulging, but I apparently have none.

So what do you think about this ? Do you think it is worth trying to rescue this ? (I think so, plasma is a beautiful screen)

petehall347 09-27-2020 01:02 PM

Re: Panasonic th-42px60en plasma TV takes time to turn on and make clicking noises
 
see if anything is getting very hot once you tricked it into switching on .. maybe is the audio chip gone shorted .

vinceroger69 09-27-2020 11:59 PM

Re: Panasonic th-42px60en plasma TV takes time to turn on and make clicking noises
 
have you tested the capacitors using a esr meter? maybe try heating different boards up with a hair dryer before turning it on this may narrow down the board at fault and meybe then the area at fault

novak2 09-28-2020 06:39 AM

Re: Panasonic th-42px60en plasma TV takes time to turn on and make clicking noises
 
I don't have an ESR meter, I just have a multimeter that can measure capacitors.

novak2 09-28-2020 09:17 AM

Re: Panasonic th-42px60en plasma TV takes time to turn on and make clicking noises
 
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So, after some heating tests, ot turns out that the ADV7499B runs VERY HOT when I use HDMI source. The two other chips runs slightly warm but it looks okay. Also, the TV booted first time without the help of hot pluging. Also, there is some "THERMAL PAD" written on the board, but I didn't find any.

novak2 09-28-2020 12:06 PM

Re: Panasonic th-42px60en plasma TV takes time to turn on and make clicking noises
 
So, the board concerned is TNPA3756. I just bought another one, if I can have my sound back by replacing the DG board. If you have any advices concerning the current board, and the probably overheating audio chip, I'll be glad to test them.

Also, my TV seems to boot normally, without any kind of repeating clicking noise. So maybe, it was the audio chip that was overheating (or just shorted), and to protect itself, the TV shuts off automatically. Now that the chip is probably fried (at least not fonctionning), the TV boots.

novak2 09-28-2020 03:49 PM

Re: Panasonic th-42px60en plasma TV takes time to turn on and make clicking noises
 
I found this : https://en.ppt-online.org/323141
It might be useful.

novak2 09-29-2020 08:29 AM

Re: Panasonic th-42px60en plasma TV takes time to turn on and make clicking noises
 
lil bump and lil news.
Since I need to wait for the part to come, I tested different thing. And guess what ? The board TNPA3759 doesn't work ! Or at least SCART plugs seems to be dead, except that when I plug an RGB cable (not a composite cable over scart), and turn on the device, it recognizes the RGB signal, but there is nothing (except some interferences noise, but very very little, and my cables aren't good so I know that it might be that), but still, no picture ! and no sound still of course. Anyone knows how the H, DG, D boards are working exactly ? I'm confused since I just bought the DG board... I'm worried if it will work or not...

novak2 09-29-2020 06:27 PM

Re: Panasonic th-42px60en plasma TV takes time to turn on and make clicking noises
 
So, since I don't have any analog video, I digged into the service manual. And I have some theories about both audio issue and analog video issue, that will lead into my initial one (which has been fixed by some magic trick lol)

- For the audio, I highly suspect the H board, expecially the MSP (multi signal processor). As I said, I don't have ANY audio on ANY output (even headphones), and it was working before. Maybe I screwed that with the hot plug in when I tested some things. Totally my bad on this one I guess.

- For the analog video, I have 2 suspects :
- the Video Input Select chip, but I'm not confident in this one, I don't think it is.
- the ADC chip on the DG board that is just before the RGB processor. I think it might be this one that is faulty.

So, I can have 2 situations :

1) The H board is litterally the only one faulty, with a bad MSP/VIS/Capacitor (or anything that can be shorted)
2) The H board AND the DG board are faulty, the H one is for the MSP, and the DG is for the ADC.

So I prepared for the second one. I just bought the DG board AND the H board. I bought both for a total of 30€ (~35$). Since I bought the TV for only 20€, it will probably cost me 50€ (~58$) to have it fully fontionnal.

Also, I think that the TV wasn't booting properly because of one or both board faulty, and to protect the circuit it was just shutting off. But I can assure you that it is from DG board or H board, or both. I will tell you once I have my boards if it worked.

Edit : frickin missclick tab and enter lol.

novak2 10-02-2020 07:33 AM

Re: Panasonic th-42px60en plasma TV takes time to turn on and make clicking noises
 
So, here again for delivering some news.

I received the DG board, and what a surprise ! It didn't solve the sound output and analog video input, but, I have a slightly better picture over HDMI, AND the original problem is now completely gone !

Now waiting for the H board...

novak2 10-06-2020 09:56 AM

Re: Panasonic th-42px60en plasma TV takes time to turn on and make clicking noises
 
Hello there.

I received my H board, and guess what... NO SOUND AND NO AV ! There is a serious problem here, because I don't know where the problem is !

HELP PLEASE !

novak2 10-06-2020 10:29 AM

Re: Panasonic th-42px60en plasma TV takes time to turn on and make clicking noises
 
Just to inform you.

I did the self-check, and AVSW1 and AVSW2 failed both.

vinceroger69 10-06-2020 10:59 AM

Re: Panasonic th-42px60en plasma TV takes time to turn on and make clicking noises
 
possible faulty replacement h board as AVSW1 and AVSW2 failed (av switch)


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