Desoldering Iron upgrade

[japlytic]

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I seem to recommend an all-in-one desoldering gun - it has lag-free performance since the vacuum does not have to travel through long pipes.

[1supertech]

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I would consider Hakko Desoldering Kit, With 808 Gun if the tips would last longer then 2months. I don't repair a lot of monitors working from home and advertising on craigslist
repairing & buying monitors.

[1supertech]

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Weller or JBC or DEN-ON
Way out of my price range for the amount of work flow that I have

thanks

[Kiriakos GR]

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In this case I will offer a diferent advice, try to not use force at pressing down the tip.
And even better use a soldering iron to melt the solder and use the pump at the last second to do it job.
By this way you will extend the life cycle of those tips.

[1supertech]

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I will try that thanks

[y_not]

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I don't personally own Hakko 808, but I have read other reviews that state the tips last longer than any others in the industry. Mainly the cheap Chinese are what I believe they're comparing to.

This review is amazing, in how much it's left on, how many 100's+ of caps it replaces in an 8hr day and generally how robust it is even years later.

He doesn't specifically state anything as to tip life though.
http://www.amazon.com/review/R1DWNZW...=&nodeID=&tag=

Kiriakos is correct in that they only require a light touch, in fact the manufacturers state that the tip should not come into direct contact with the board itself, but only the lead and fillet.
Seems kinda hard to keep that from happening, but pressure is indeed a tip & pad/trace killer. If you have to use pressure, something's wrong. Bad tip, overly dirty joint, wrong tip size for the job, or wrong heat setting.
Any more contact than 2 seconds and it's too long, go back and fix one of the above.

I know when these are used properly, they fly through the job, doing dozens of joints in minutes instead of hours. *touche!*

[y_not]

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I would consider Hakko Desoldering Kit, With 808 Gun if the tips would last longer then 2months.

It sounds like you don't own one.
Being the ever interested sponge that I am.... could you kindly advise as to where you have read statements as to such a short tip life?
Thx.

[1supertech]

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It sounds like you don't own one.
Being the ever interested sponge that I am.... could you kindly advise as to where you have read statements as to such a short tip life?
Thx.

I am using a Blackjack BK4000 at 700deg it was great for 2months untill it
it wasn't sucking as well as it should. changed the tip and now it's fine.
but the 1mm tip sucked better then 1.5mm

As far as pressure touching the solder pad 1 second each on a cap

I don't own a Hakko 808 I am just wondering if the tips last longer.

[1supertech]

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I am just wondering If to high of temp to much flux would wear out tips.
SO I lowered my temp to 350deg and no flux works very well but lets see how long the tip
lasts. I may buy a Hakko 808 as a backup

[Kiriakos GR]

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I am repeating my words but I hope that you will " get the message this time".
The damage on this tip is because of your not that acceptable handling.
Be more gentle to the tip, give it time to heat the solder and the part.

I have the feeling that you are acting like RAMBO with a machine gun who expects to kill 1000 enemies in two minutes. LOL

[1supertech]

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I like your analogy LOL I will try to use my little girl hands

Thanks

[y_not]

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What's wrong with Rambo?
:P

BTW, Those Chinese tips will never, ever last as long as the official Hakko Japanese made tips. Case in point are the Chinese Hakko knock off soldering irons sold on fleabay. Their tips just don't last, but they're interchangeable with the official Hakko tips, which do last. Some people for years, or a decade, even more. Depends on the user and their application, use, etc...

Granted, I know it's not comparing apples to apples in the sense of the same unit. But it's at least comparing the same apple tree to another of the same, being Chinese made tips to Hakko made tips.

[1supertech]

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What's wrong with Rambo?
:P

BTW, Those Chinese tips will never, ever last as long as the official Hakko Japanese made tips. Case in point are the Chinese Hakko knock off soldering irons sold on fleabay. Their tips just don't last, but they're interchangeable with the official Hakko tips, which do last. Some people for years, or a decade, even more. Depends on the user and their application, use, etc...

Granted, I know it's not comparing apples to apples in the sense of the same unit. But it's at least comparing the same apple tree to another of the same, being Chinese made tips to Hakko made tips.

I have looked for replacement tips at hakko with no luck but so far my BK4000
is doing good

[y_not]

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I have looked for replacement tips at hakko with no luck but so far my BK4000 is doing good

Ooops, my bad. Sorry, I wasn't saying the Blackjack unit you have would take the Hakko tips. Just that the other Chinese Hakko copies that would, were a night & day difference.

From what I have read only some Chinese desoldering units can, very few it seems. However the hot air rework stations can. Go figure!!
Surely someone has come up with a circuit to reverse the airflow on those and make them into a vacuum.

BTW, what are the size difference you're encountering? Is it in the threads only, or what? Your unit vs. the Hakko tips that is.

[1supertech]

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Unit is fine it's just low grade tips I would like to find a better qulity tip that fits my gun
his is my tip link below. Aoyue desoldering stations uses the same tips

http://www.circuitspecialists.com/302082.html

[y_not]

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Have you tried cross referencing the Aoyue's to a Hakko?

Can the unit take a Hakko wand?
They can be had on Fleabay for about $60-$120 used.

[t.j.]

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got a drill press? re-core the tips!

[y_not]

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got a drill press? re-core the tips!

That could work, but only short term.
As once you break the coating of the plating, the raw base metal is exposed and it'll break down super fast!!
That's likely why his tips aren't lasting long in the 1st place, is due to a poor plating process on them to begin with. One of the key things that separates the good tips from the junk tips.
But I have a friend and have heard of others, that just keep grinding down their soldering iron tips to bare copper and keep using them until they don't work anymore. It seems to work for them.
But I say that's too much work, copper breaks down far, far too fast in the presence of acids (flux) & high heat. It sure conducts heat well, so long as it isn't oxidized that is.

Maybe you could plate the tips yourself?
Just a simple reverse electrolysis setup, some donor metal as the source of plating on the anode & the part to be plated on the cathode.
But it has to be clean, clean. So maybe some normal electrolysis with the tip to be cleaned on the anode & a sacrificial cathode to collect the junk.
In most cases it won't remove plating, at least not very efficiently. So you'll have to file/grind/sand that off beforehand.
Use a PSU as your voltage source, don't use a battery, unless the current is just super low amps. All depends on how close the anode+cathode are and how strong the electrolyte is, plus the size of the parts.
I have cleaned many an automotive part this way, but just haven't messed /w plating.... yet.

[Kiriakos GR]

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once you break the coating of the plating, the raw base metal is exposed and it'll break down super fast!!

I will have to disagree due my experiences with a DEN-ON de-soldering pump.
The tip does not have any platting and is undamaged even after 20 years of use.

When it comes down to the quality of a metals the secret hides in their chemical composition.

Japanese are champions about hardening metals and of cooking their properties.

[1supertech]

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I did grind the tip down abit looks better but hole is a little of center I willl test it on a junk board.

I look at it this way if I repair 10 monitors I make 300.00 profit I can spend $7.00
on a tip