Exactly same capacitors from NCC and Nichicon

xnRS · 10-15-2021, 03:23 PM

I was searching some caps and found NCC KY and Nichicon UHE. I was looking for 1000uf 10v 8 x 20 mm. If you'll look into data, you'll see that impedance at 20 and 10 degress celsious is same, same applies for the ripple current. Also, I saw same thing with some other big caps(680uf 400v, or something like that, don't remember exactly) and saw same thing from NCC and Nichicon, no other manufacturer. This leads me to one idea - they are using same factory and just rebranding some caps.

Any opinions on this one ?

**brethin** · 10-15-2021, 07:11 PM

Uh no, same specs doesn't mean same factory.

xnRS · 10-16-2021, 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by brethin

Uh no, same specs doesn't mean same factory.

then look into a datasheet of both caps, every cap is exactly the same

xnRS · 10-16-2021, 06:20 AM

And how they could have exactly the same specs on each cap ?

s675 · 10-16-2021, 03:04 PM

You make a good point. The specs (including lifetime) all match.

Here are the possibilities that I have thought of:

One company makes the capacitors, and the other company rebrands them with their company name.
They are different capacitors, and one of the companies used the competitor's specs as placeholders and never changed them.
They both manufacture this capacitor design in their own factories. The original company agreed to share the exact formula etc under license.

**brethin** · 10-16-2021, 10:10 PM

Not the same factory even if they exactly the same specs, it's not uncommon on popular parts.

**PeteS in CA** · 10-17-2021, 10:57 AM

They’re equivalent series - same specs, but competitors, not identical factory. NCC/UCC and Nichicon are manufacturers, not rebranded.

s675 · 10-17-2021, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by PeteS in CA

They’re equivalent series - same specs, but competitors, not identical factory. NCC/UCC and Nichicon are manufacturers, not rebranded.

I'm aware that they both are manufacturers, but somebody is copying somebody else here, with or without permission. I would not think very highly of whichever one is the copycat. I'd expect actual measured spec averages if they are indeed not the same cap design.

**PeteS in CA** · 10-19-2021, 12:09 PM

Nippon Chemicon and Nichicon manufacture their own parts. They do not rebrand.

Nippon Chemicon (NCC) and Nichicon - and others - sell similar parts that compete with each other directly. See, for example, NCC's LXZ series, Nichicon's PW series, and Panasonic's FC series, whose specs are extremely similar. This is just ordinary normal head to head competition, no permissions required.

10-15-2021, 03:23 PM	#1
xnRS Member Join Date: Feb 2021 City & State: Minsk My Country: Belarus Line Voltage: 220VAC 50Hz I'm a: Knowledge Seeker Posts: 62	Exactly same capacitors from NCC and Nichicon I was searching some caps and found NCC KY and Nichicon UHE. I was looking for 1000uf 10v 8 x 20 mm. If you'll look into data, you'll see that impedance at 20 and 10 degress celsious is same, same applies for the ripple current. Also, I saw same thing with some other big caps(680uf 400v, or something like that, don't remember exactly) and saw same thing from NCC and Nichicon, no other manufacturer. This leads me to one idea - they are using same factory and just rebranding some caps. Any opinions on this one ?

10-15-2021, 07:11 PM	#2
brethin Badcaps Veteran Join Date: Dec 2008 City & State: Owensboro, KY. My Country: USA Line Voltage: 120VAC 60Hz I'm a: Professional Tech Posts: 1,867	Re: Exactly same capacitors from NCC and Nichicon Uh no, same specs doesn't mean same factory.

10-16-2021, 06:20 AM	#4
xnRS Member Join Date: Feb 2021 City & State: Minsk My Country: Belarus Line Voltage: 220VAC 50Hz I'm a: Knowledge Seeker Posts: 62	Re: Exactly same capacitors from NCC and Nichicon And how they could have exactly the same specs on each cap ?

10-16-2021, 03:04 PM	#5
s675 Member Join Date: Sep 2015 City & State: Essex My Country: UK Line Voltage: 240VAC 50Hz I'm a: Knowledge Seeker Posts: 28	Re: Exactly same capacitors from NCC and Nichicon You make a good point. The specs (including lifetime) all match. Here are the possibilities that I have thought of: One company makes the capacitors, and the other company rebrands them with their company name. They are different capacitors, and one of the companies used the competitor's specs as placeholders and never changed them. They both manufacture this capacitor design in their own factories. The original company agreed to share the exact formula etc under license. Last edited by s675; 10-16-2021 at 03:06 PM..

10-16-2021, 10:10 PM	#6
brethin Badcaps Veteran Join Date: Dec 2008 City & State: Owensboro, KY. My Country: USA Line Voltage: 120VAC 60Hz I'm a: Professional Tech Posts: 1,867	Re: Exactly same capacitors from NCC and Nichicon Not the same factory even if they exactly the same specs, it's not uncommon on popular parts.

10-17-2021, 10:57 AM	#7
PeteS in CA Badcaps Veteran Join Date: Aug 2005 City & State: San Jose, CA My Country: USA, Unsure of Planet Line Voltage: 120VAC, 60Hz & 115VAC, 400Hz I'm a: Professional Tech Posts: 3,385	Re: Exactly same capacitors from NCC and Nichicon They’re equivalent series - same specs, but competitors, not identical factory. NCC/UCC and Nichicon are manufacturers, not rebranded. __________________ PeteS in CA Power Supplies should be boring: No loud noises, no bright flashes, and no bad smells. ************************** To kill personal responsibility, initiative or success, punish it by taxing it. To encourage irresponsibility, improvidence, dependence and failure, reward it by subsidizing it. ************************** Anti-Covid-Vaxxer pig crap claim/prediction, Doctor: Heart Failure from mRNA Jabs "Will Kill Most People" \| Principia Scientific Intl. ; Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche Warns COVID-19 Jab Injuries and Deaths Will Soon "Collapse Our Health System" (VIDEO) ; Fully Vaxxed May 2021; Since that time I've done 7 5Ks, 1 8K, 8 10Ks, and 4 half marathons

10-19-2021, 12:09 PM	#9
PeteS in CA Badcaps Veteran Join Date: Aug 2005 City & State: San Jose, CA My Country: USA, Unsure of Planet Line Voltage: 120VAC, 60Hz & 115VAC, 400Hz I'm a: Professional Tech Posts: 3,385	Re: Exactly same capacitors from NCC and Nichicon Nippon Chemicon and Nichicon manufacture their own parts. They do not rebrand. Nippon Chemicon (NCC) and Nichicon - and others - sell similar parts that compete with each other directly. See, for example, NCC's LXZ series, Nichicon's PW series, and Panasonic's FC series, whose specs are extremely similar. This is just ordinary normal head to head competition, no permissions required.

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