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Old 01-08-2020, 03:43 PM   #1
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Default Why Lubuntu?

Noticed that most of the 2020 OS Survey choose Lubuntu. I use Linux Mint Mate 19.3 64-bit.

I can see Lubuntu is a smaller install, but why is it the flavor of choice for you?
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Old 01-08-2020, 04:03 PM   #2
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i dont use it.
i wont use any distro that does away with a root account - ubuntu variants are trying to go the way of windows.
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Old 01-08-2020, 04:08 PM   #3
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not only is it smaller install, its smaller memory footprint as well, lower resource usage, lower bloat, faster booting etc. no one likes a bloated os! *looks at windows vista!*
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Old 01-08-2020, 08:53 PM   #4
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Default Re: Why Lubuntu?

I use it because it's a lightweight distro with a lot of software support (because it's based on Ubuntu). The computer I'm running it on has 4GB of RAM, and Windows will run out of RAM shortly after opening a web browser.

I'm surprised at how slow it boots. There isn't a large difference in boot times between the installed version and the "live" version booting from a flash drive, and the flash drive I used was extremely slow (3.5MB/s continuous write speed).
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Old 01-08-2020, 09:44 PM   #5
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not only is it smaller install, its smaller memory footprint as well, lower resource usage, lower bloat, faster booting etc. no one likes a bloated os! *looks at windows vista!*
Even with faster hardware now since I started using lubuntu in 2014, I stick with lubuntu due to the above.

Also with less default software/daemons/services, there is a smaller attack vector.
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Old 01-08-2020, 09:46 PM   #6
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I'm surprised at how slow it boots.
Post the results of

systemd-analyze blame
systemd-analyze critical-chain

With a SSD (used 32GB), my lubuntu boots from cold start into a firefox in under 8 seconds.

I would love to get it under 5 seconds with some tweaking.

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Old 01-11-2020, 11:33 AM   #7
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SSD for boot here...

Heavily loaded Xubuntu 18.04.3 install goes from power button to login screen in about 10 seconds (excluding BIOS password input). 15-30 seconds if the system had a hard shutdown.
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Old 01-11-2020, 05:41 PM   #8
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Post the results of

systemd-analyze blame
systemd-analyze critical-chain

With a SSD (used 32GB), my lubuntu boots from cold start into a firefox in under 8 seconds.

I would love to get it under 5 seconds with some tweaking.
I think it belongs in a new thread, but here it is.

systemd-analyze blame:
Code:
         29.590s apt-daily.service
         20.240s systemd-journal-flush.service
         16.823s ufw.service
         16.093s keyboard-setup.service
         15.706s dev-sda5.device
         11.474s systemd-udevd.service
          6.583s NetworkManager-wait-online.service
          4.358s plymouth-start.service
          3.789s NetworkManager.service
          3.411s systemd-sysctl.service
          2.860s networkd-dispatcher.service
          2.664s udisks2.service
          2.364s accounts-daemon.service
          2.350s ModemManager.service
          2.280s nmbd.service
          1.666s gpu-manager.service
          1.616s smbd.service
          1.453s avahi-daemon.service
          1.268s wpa_supplicant.service
          1.153s systemd-tmpfiles-setup-dev.service
          1.095s lm-sensors.service
           955ms systemd-modules-load.service
           894ms apt-daily-upgrade.service
           872ms motd-news.service
           784ms packagekit.service
           711ms resetmsmice.service
           703ms systemd-udev-trigger.service
           589ms apparmor.service
           551ms upower.service
           532ms polkit.service
           526ms plymouth-read-write.service
           509ms systemd-journald.service
           487ms grub-common.service
           406ms systemd-random-seed.service
           405ms swapfile.swap
           396ms systemd-tmpfiles-clean.service
           370ms rsyslog.service
           362ms [email protected]
           311ms systemd-resolved.service
           297ms systemd-rfkill.service
           261ms kmod-static-nodes.service
           259ms sys-kernel-debug.mount
           258ms dev-mqueue.mount
           224ms systemd-logind.service
           165ms lightdm.service
           163ms plymouth-quit-wait.service
           151ms systemd-timesyncd.service
           119ms setvtrgb.service
           110ms systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service
            61ms apport.service
            52ms systemd-remount-fs.service
            45ms alsa-restore.service
            38ms pppd-dns.service
            27ms systemd-update-utmp.service
            17ms kerneloops.service
            16ms hddtemp.service
            12ms ureadahead-stop.service
             8ms systemd-update-utmp-runlevel.service
             5ms [email protected]:intel_backlight.service
             5ms dev-hugepages.mount
             5ms sys-kernel-config.mount
             4ms sys-fs-fuse-connections.mount
             4ms systemd-user-sessions.service
             3ms console-setup.service
systemd-analyze critical-chain:
Code:
The time after the unit is active or started is printed after the "@" character.
The time the unit takes to start is printed after the "+" character.

graphical.target @38.599s
└─multi-user.target @38.599s
  └─smbd.service @36.982s +1.616s
    └─nmbd.service @34.698s +2.280s
      └─network-online.target @34.696s
        └─NetworkManager-wait-online.service @28.113s +6.583s
          └─NetworkManager.service @24.321s +3.789s
            └─dbus.service @24.262s
              └─basic.target @24.259s
                └─paths.target @24.259s
                  └─acpid.path @24.259s
                    └─sysinit.target @24.238s
                      └─systemd-timesyncd.service @24.086s +151ms
                        └─systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service @23.915s +110ms
                          └─systemd-journal-flush.service @3.673s +20.240s
                            └─systemd-journald.service @3.163s +509ms
                              └─syslog.socket @3.162s
                                └─system.slice @2.886s
                                  └─-.slice @2.857s
I don't have an SSD in that computer, so maybe that's normal (the speed difference when reading lots of small files). I don't think that computer is worth upgrading, and having more RAM would remove the only reason I have for using Linux.

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Old 01-11-2020, 09:14 PM   #9
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Default Re: Why Lubuntu?

Oh gosh 4GB is not enough memory on a binary distribution? so sad, I really need more cpu/memory... I'm still running Gentoo on a 2GB machine, and it's actually building its updates, rust/firefox and all... takes forever and a half but it's still chugging along.
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Old 01-11-2020, 11:34 PM   #10
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I don't have an SSD in that computer, so maybe that's normal (the speed difference when reading lots of small files). I don't think that computer is worth upgrading, and having more RAM would remove the only reason I have for using Linux.
38 seconds for a traditional spinning disk isn't bad depending on the the CPU and hard disk. I think it was about 25 seconds when I had a traditional hard disk on a dual core E8400.

Try these 6 commands to cut down the boot time to under 30 seconds.

sudo systemctl disable smbd.service
sudo systemctl mask smbd.service

sudo systemctl disable nmbd.service
sudo systemctl mask nmbd.service

sudo systemctl disable NetworkManager-wait-online.service
sudo systemctl mask NetworkManager-wait-online.service

I also disable the following services/daemons on my Lubuntu setup.

sudo apt purge ppp modemmanager apport bluez whoopsie avahi-daemon

Lubuntu with a browser should run fine with 1GB to 2GB DRAM.
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Old 01-12-2020, 07:14 PM   #11
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With a SSD (used 32GB), my lubuntu boots from cold start into a firefox in under 8 seconds.
Got it down to 5.7 seconds with some tweaks. Trying for < 5 now.
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Old 01-23-2020, 03:09 AM   #12
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Default Re: Why Lubuntu?

Yeah, already said, it's fast, small footprint, less resource hangry, smaller attack surface and quick updates (Debian tends to be slower in publishing newer versions of SW in their repos).
I also find LXQT quite stylish.
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Old 01-30-2020, 07:17 PM   #13
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I also use Mint . I have used a few other distros, but never tried Limbuto.
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Old 01-31-2020, 12:45 AM   #14
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Just downloaded Lubuntu beta 20.04 and installed it on my test machine. Posting this using it.

So far so good.

Lubuntu 20.04, when released in late April will be installed on my main machine.

I will do a complete clean install, reinstall all the apps (only 4 or 5) and reconfigure everything from scratch.
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Hi guys is Lubuntu 18.04 better than Xubuntu 18.04 or is same thing? to install on Desktop EMachines ET1331G, AMD Athlon(tm) II X2 250u Processor, i've tried a few distros but i end up going back to Xubuntu
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Just downloaded Lubuntu beta 20.04 and installed it on my test machine. Posting this using it.

So far so good.

Lubuntu 20.04, when released in late April will be installed on my main machine.

I will do a complete clean install, reinstall all the apps (only 4 or 5) and reconfigure everything from scratch.
https://www.infoworld.com/article/31...n-xubuntu.html


Do you guys agree with this?;
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Hi guys is Lubuntu 18.04 better than Xubuntu 18.04 or is same thing?
X or L, it really doesn't matter.

I chose L back in 2014, because it used less resources than X. Back in 2014, I was still using P4 and low end dual cores with only 1GB DRAM so I had to be very picky about which OS used the least amount of DRAM.

If you like X, stick with X.

Now that I have faster dual core machines with 4GB DRAM, I still stick to L.
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That article is 3 years old and much has changed.

LXQT 20.04 is now > 1GB ISO and comes with LibreOffice.

Again, either L or X are excellent choices for older machines. Pick whatever makes you happy.
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Thanks guys and keep up this great Forum
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i dont use it.
i wont use any distro that does away with a root account
Besides servers (they all have root accounts), I set Mint up on cheap systems all the time for clients.....mainly to use as web browsers/socialist media/email systems....if I told them it had no root account, they'd stare at me like I had 2 heads. Some systems are better off this way.
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