Muskoka 35" curved fireplace power supply.

[kc8adu]

Re: Muskoka 35" curved fireplace power supply.

seeing this thing via good pics would help.
could uplight be the ignitor and flame being a flame detect?
like our modern furnaces.

[budm]

Re: Muskoka 35" curved fireplace power supply.

I think this thing is one of those fake fireplace that you can place it any room. It is an electric fireplace that I think I saw them at COSTCO before.
http://www.costco.com/Muskoka%C2%AE-...100069986.html

[budm]

Re: Muskoka 35" curved fireplace power supply.

I think this thing is one of those fake fireplace that you can place it any room. It is an electric fireplace that I think I saw them at COSTCO before.
http://www.costco.com/Muskoka%C2%AE-...100069986.html

[kc8adu]

Re: Muskoka 35" curved fireplace power supply.

oh.
so electric heat and fake effects.and a remote for the lazy.
our fireplaces/woodstoves actually use real fire!

[Cryogen]

Re: Muskoka 35" curved fireplace power supply.

I think this thing is one of those fake fireplace that you can place it any room. It is an electric fireplace that I think I saw them at COSTCO before.
http://www.costco.com/Muskoka%C2%AE-...100069986.html

I thought you understood that since the beginning!

Aye, the uplight is the led light on the fake log , side is the led lights on the sides of the heater, remote is the connection for the remote receiver and motor is the 240v motor that produces the effect (combined with the uplight led) of the fake fire. Flame I think is the colour switcher of the led light.

It is all about leds and a small 240v rotating motor.

RELAY 2 : GOLDEN GH-1A-12L

[Cryogen]

Re: Muskoka 35" curved fireplace power supply.

oh.
so electric heat and fake effects.and a remote for the lazy.
our fireplaces/woodstoves actually use real fire!

Sure, if you have space for the wood. Not everyone has a garden , a garage at all or big enough to store it.

Some other people , just do not like to cut trees.

[budm]

Re: Muskoka 35" curved fireplace power supply.

The heating element and the fan for blowing the hot air must be connected to that big relay top connectors then?

[Cryogen]

Re: Muskoka 35" curved fireplace power supply.

The heating element and the fan for blowing the hot air must be connected to that big relay top connectors then?

Aye correct, it goes in the on/off switch , then in the 240v fake fire motor and then it goes to the heating element with blower.

power socket->on/off switch->relay->turning fake fire motor->heater blower element.

The board is meant to be a fake fire controller for the leds and its colours. Plus I believe works as voltage regulator even for the heating element as it has 7 different power settings.

If you tell me a compatible relay (I cannot find the golden one) , I can replace it/them straight away.

[budm]

Re: Muskoka 35" curved fireplace power supply.

It is not the relay, the relay coil is not getting the the power from the power supply, so we need to find out some how what that SMPS IC is to get the spec sheet to troubleshoot the problem.

[Cryogen]

Re: Muskoka 35" curved fireplace power supply.

It is not the relay, the relay coil is not getting the the power from the power supply, so we need to find out some how what that SMPS IC is to get the spec sheet to troubleshoot the problem.

But the power from the wall goes into the relay first.

I have connected the heating element directly to the wall and it works nicely.

Should I remove the 2 450v capacitor and test them with my capacitance meter? I tested them on the board and the readings on both of them was 19 micron farad instead of the rated 10.

[budm]

Re: Muskoka 35" curved fireplace power supply.

"But the power from the wall goes into the relay first." But the relay has to be activated by the power supply through the driving device to turn on the relay to close the contact inside the relay. The power goes to one contact of the relay and comes out through another contact to feed the heating element when the contact is commanded close.
You need to check the DCV in the HOT DEADLY side of the circuit to find out if there is power to run the board or not, you MUST not touch anything with your hands or body, and do not let the probes slip on you.
The relay is just a switch with contact closure activated by electro-magnet when DC Voltage is applied to the relay coil.
And right now your unit is dead without any indicator lights, no action on the relays, etc. so we have to find out why.

[paulstef]

Re: Muskoka 35" curved fireplace power supply.

Just adding the owner manual here. Not that it helps a lot, there is no wiring diagram included...

http://www.costco.com/wcsstore/Costc...684-manual.pdf

[Cryogen]

Re: Muskoka 35" curved fireplace power supply.

"But the power from the wall goes into the relay first." But the relay has to be activated by the power supply through the driving device to turn on the relay to close the contact inside the relay. The power goes to one contact of the relay and comes out through another contact to feed the heating element when the contact is commanded close.
You need to check the DCV in the HOT DEADLY side of the circuit to find out if there is power to run the board or not, you MUST not touch anything with your hands or body, and do not let the probes slip on you.
The relay is just a switch with contact closure activated by electro-magnet when DC Voltage is applied to the relay coil.
And right now your unit is dead without any indicator lights, no action on the relays, etc. so we have to find out why.

Ok, I will do that. Just one question: In order to test I just need to plug neutral in the com and the live in the live tab of the relay, right?

[budm]

Re: Muskoka 35" curved fireplace power supply.

There is big white connector with two pins next to the relay that needs be connected, that looks like where the HOT ad Neutral comes in.
We still need to see the pictures of the whole unit to see how the connectors and wires are all hooked up together to see how it gets the power, we never get to see the pictures yet.

[Cryogen]

Re: Muskoka 35" curved fireplace power supply.

There is big white connector with two pins next to the relay that needs be connected, that looks like where the HOT ad Neutral comes in.
We still need to see the pictures of the whole unit to see how the connectors and wires are all hooked up together to see how it gets the power, we never get to see the pictures yet.

No, that is the fire effect motor header, I have told you from the wall socket the electicity goes to the relay.

I have to assemble it back? Oh dear , that is annoying...

[budm]

Re: Muskoka 35" curved fireplace power supply.

Well, I do not have the unit in front of me, there is no wiring diagram on how the whole units are wired. You can draw up the diagram for us then.
We can only do so much when we do not have the unit to look at, we cannot even tell if there thermal cutoff safety switch that may be bad and caused the unit to stay in shutdown, I hope it has one if the temperature control failed.

[paulstef]

Re: Muskoka 35" curved fireplace power supply.

Budm did you find a a diagram for this relay?

OP says power comes in directly on th erelay which doesn't make sense, on the relay it says NC and COM, like if it was the main relay contacts. Then on the PCB they are also soldered. The contacts on the PCB and the two on top, are these the same?

We can find the product, but then surprise, no datasheet. http://www.gd-r.com/en/product-page.aspx?cid=4&id=6

[budm]

Re: Muskoka 35" curved fireplace power supply.

Budm did you find a a diagram for this relay?

OP says power comes in directly on th erelay which doesn't make sense, on the relay it says NC and COM, like if it was the main relay contacts. Then on the PCB they are also soldered. The contacts on the PCB and the two on top, are these the same?

I cannot find the pinout of the relays, there are two of them. That is why I asked for the pictures of the whole unit to see how it is wired up. It can be as simple as safety shutdown switch is activated, but I do not since we do not have the pictures, there is also two pin connector that looks like where the HOT and Neutral comes in as shown in the marked pictures I made.

[Cryogen]

Re: Muskoka 35" curved fireplace power supply.

Well, I do not have the unit in front of me, there is no wiring diagram on how the whole units are wired. You can draw up the diagram for us then.
We can only do so much when we do not have the unit to look at, we cannot even tell if there thermal cutoff safety switch that may be bad and caused the unit to stay in shutdown, I hope it has one if the temperature control failed.

I am gonna assemble it tomorrow. will post pics asap.

The pinout of the relay is the one mounted horizontally is the com and the one which in vertical position is the live, if that is what you are asking.

Thanks very much mate, for the time you are giving me.

[paulstef]

Re: Muskoka 35" curved fireplace power supply.

That's because the datasheet is only in chinese (or anything other I can't read. )

http://www.gd-r.com/upload/gaodeng/2...0816129837.pdf



Budm got it right.