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  • shovenose
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    • Aug 2010
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    Ubiquiti US-16-150 Help

    Got this dead Unifi US-16-150W, assuming it was the power supply. Alas the PSU and everything looks perfect and the PSU is outputting a solid 53V.

    I noticed that upon disconnecting then reconnecting the 4-pin connector from the PSU to the switch's mainboard it makes quite a spark. More than I would expect. So I got curious, took the mainboard out, and found the bottom to be like this.

    Is this water damage? Or something else? Should I try to clean it off? Or is it toast?
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  • sam_sam_sam
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    • Jul 2011
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    #2
    Re: Liquid damage or somethign else?

    Try cleaning up with denatured alcohol and see if you can clean or use a good flux remover spray I have clean a few boards with a flux remover spray

    https://www.mpja.com/Flux-Remover-41...info/30364+MG/

    It might be water stains but I not completely sure about this
    Last edited by sam_sam_sam; 08-20-2021, 01:41 AM.

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    • stj
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      • Dec 2009
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      #3
      Re: Liquid damage or somethign else?

      thats residue from water soluable flux,
      the factory isnt changing the water often enough.

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      • shovenose
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        #4
        Re: Liquid damage or somethign else?

        Gotcha, thanks, do you think there is any point in cleaning it? Or is something else wrong with it?

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        • shovenose
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          #5
          Re: Ubiquiti US-16-150 Help

          Alright, so I did a little testing.

          I've attached a couple pictures. I have a solid 24V across the purple caps. This is probably the circuit for the 24V Passive PoE function.

          More important, in the other pic across the two points right below the pink dot I have fluctuating 0 to 3.3V. I'm assuming this is a/the problem.

          What can I check to see why the 3.3V is fluctuating like that?
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          • Per Hansson
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            • Jul 2005
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            #6
            Re: Ubiquiti US-16-150 Help

            Most likely something is shorted and the power supply is hiccuping: that is it senses the short, powers down and then tries again...
            Some times such a short can be found by a thermal camera (or hand) or you can use a very sensitive multimeter in ohms mode.
            "The one who says it cannot be done should never interrupt the one who is doing it."

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            • shovenose
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              Re: Ubiquiti US-16-150 Help

              Originally posted by Per Hansson
              Most likely something is shorted and the power supply is hiccuping: that is it senses the short, powers down and then tries again...
              Some times such a short can be found by a thermal camera (or hand) or you can use a very sensitive multimeter in ohms mode.
              Hmm, thing is the power supply is happily at 53.7V with absolutely no fluctuating the entire time.

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              • Per Hansson
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                #8
                Re: Ubiquiti US-16-150 Help

                I mean on the secondary side, the 3.3v power supply.
                "The one who says it cannot be done should never interrupt the one who is doing it."

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                • CapLeaker
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                  • Dec 2014
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                  #9
                  Re: Ubiquiti US-16-150 Help

                  Probably there are no shorts on the 3.3V rail. I think there is something else that gets powered from the 3.3V rail that shorts out when powered up. Check the other buck converters. Power the 3.3V up with a bench power supply and see what happens...

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                  • shovenose
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                    Re: Ubiquiti US-16-150 Help

                    Originally posted by CapLeaker
                    Probably there are no shorts on the 3.3V rail. I think there is something else that gets powered from the 3.3V rail that shorts out when powered up. Check the other buck converters. Power the 3.3V up with a bench power supply and see what happens...
                    Hmm, OK, I'll have to rig something up.

                    In the meantime, I found this bubble on one of the BCM59111KMLG chips. It's supposedly a 60W PoE controller. Is this normal? Or bubbles=bad?
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                    • CapLeaker
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                      #11
                      Re: Ubiquiti US-16-150 Help

                      That chip is the problem I’d say.

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                      • shovenose
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                        Re: Ubiquiti US-16-150 Help

                        Originally posted by CapLeaker
                        That chip is the problem I'd say.
                        Thank you, I will see what I can do. I wonder if it's going to be really hard to remove lol.

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                        • Th3_uN1Qu3
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                          #13
                          Re: Ubiquiti US-16-150 Help

                          Originally posted by shovenose
                          Hmm, OK, I'll have to rig something up.

                          In the meantime, I found this bubble on one of the BCM59111KMLG chips. It's supposedly a 60W PoE controller. Is this normal? Or bubbles=bad?
                          It's dead Jim. That's a burn mark alright. Look also at the discoloration on the PCB around it.

                          Speaking of removal, depending on the power of your hot air station, you may need to use some sort of preheater or hotplate, that chip is a QFN with a large heat dissipation pad underneath.
                          Originally posted by PeteS in CA
                          Remember that by the time consequences of a short-sighted decision are experienced, the idiot who made the bad decision may have already been promoted or moved on to a better job at another company.
                          A working TV? How boring!

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                          • CapLeaker
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                            #14
                            Re: Ubiquiti US-16-150 Help

                            Shouldn’t be that hard to remove. You can always preheat the board, then take it off with hot air gun.

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                            • Th3_uN1Qu3
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                              #15
                              Re: Ubiquiti US-16-150 Help

                              It's easy peasy if you preheat, just don't be surprised if a cheapo chinese SMD rework station alone won't cut it.
                              Originally posted by PeteS in CA
                              Remember that by the time consequences of a short-sighted decision are experienced, the idiot who made the bad decision may have already been promoted or moved on to a better job at another company.
                              A working TV? How boring!

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                              • shovenose
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                                Re: Ubiquiti US-16-150 Help

                                Originally posted by Th3_uN1Qu3
                                It's easy peasy if you preheat, just don't be surprised if a cheapo chinese SMD rework station alone won't cut it.
                                it better be good enough because that's what i ordered haha. i will update once i've tried it.

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                                • shovenose
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                                  Re: Ubiquiti US-16-150 Help

                                  Originally posted by Th3_uN1Qu3
                                  It's easy peasy if you preheat, just don't be surprised if a cheapo chinese SMD rework station alone won't cut it.
                                  so, i got my cheapo smd rework station and it worked perfectly to remove the chip.

                                  i was hoping i'd get at least some sign of life now that the chip is removed and presumably the short is too.

                                  unfortunately its still dead. what can i check now :'(

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                                  • stj
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                                    #18
                                    Re: Ubiquiti US-16-150 Help

                                    check for shorted ceramic caps near the dead chip area.

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                                    • CapLeaker
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                                      #19
                                      Re: Ubiquiti US-16-150 Help

                                      Check your wonky power rail. See what it does now?

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