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  • x_orange90_x
    Badcaps Veteran
    • May 2015
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    #21
    Re: Hisense f42k20e turns on, screen goes dark

    So is that possibly the issue? 0v meaning it's dimmed (off)? When I first turn on the tv and the backlights come on it looks as though they are at max brightness and then quickly fade to black. That makes sense though, the fim function is fading/dimming them, but not at a specific level, just absolute minimum.

    I figured that BRI had something to do with BRIghtness given the abbreviation.

    The power supply makes little popping and buzzing sounds randomly while the tv is turned on.

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    • dick_barton
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      • Aug 2015
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      #22
      Re: Hisense f42k20e turns on, screen goes dark

      Can you measure the resistance of the BRI connection to chassis at the power supply and the mainboard. Set switched off and mainboard disconnected.
      Willing to help but I'm no expert.

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      • x_orange90_x
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        #23
        Re: Hisense f42k20e turns on, screen goes dark

        I can, but I need a little more explanation of what I need to do.

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        • dick_barton
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          • Aug 2015
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          #24
          Re: Hisense f42k20e turns on, screen goes dark

          It's just to check that there's no short circuit on the BRI line either at the power supply end or the mainboard side. Initially you can leave the mainboard connected to the power supply pin and just as you measured the BRI voltage, just set your meter to ohms or Kohm and of course the set switched off and give the reading shown on the meter.
          Last edited by dick_barton; 08-18-2017, 07:47 AM.
          Willing to help but I'm no expert.

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          • budm
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            • Feb 2010
            • 40746
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            #25
            Re: Hisense f42k20e turns on, screen goes dark

            Remove the 'BRI' wire and see if the backlights will stay on.
            Never stop learning
            Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

            Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

            Inverter testing using old CFL:
            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

            Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
            http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

            TV Factory reset codes listing:
            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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            • x_orange90_x
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              • May 2015
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              #26
              Re: Hisense f42k20e turns on, screen goes dark

              Originally posted by dick_barton
              It's just to check that there's no short circuit on the BRI line either at the power supply end or the mainboard side. Initially you can leave the mainboard connected to the power supply pin and just as you measured the BRI voltage, just set your meter to ohms or Kohm and of course the set switched off and give the reading shown on the meter.
              I got 26.9 in 200kohms on both the main board and power supply sides of BRI wire. That is with them connected.

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              • dick_barton
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                • Aug 2015
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                #27
                Re: Hisense f42k20e turns on, screen goes dark

                I believe that the BRI pin may also need to be connected to 5V to bring on the backlights one the wire is removed.
                Willing to help but I'm no expert.

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                • x_orange90_x
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                  • May 2015
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                  #28
                  Re: Hisense f42k20e turns on, screen goes dark

                  Originally posted by dick_barton
                  I believe that the BRI pin may also need to be connected to 5V to bring on the backlights one the wire is removed.
                  I think you are correct.. I disconnected the BRI wire and the backlights did not come on at all.

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                  • budm
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                    • Feb 2010
                    • 40746
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                    #29
                    Re: Hisense f42k20e turns on, screen goes dark

                    So it does not have pull-up resistor for the BRI pin, but check the DCV on BRI PIN anyway just in case; otherwise use 1K resistor between BRI and STBY 5V.
                    Never stop learning
                    Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                    Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                    Inverter testing using old CFL:
                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                    Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                    http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                    TV Factory reset codes listing:
                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                    • nomoresonys
                      Badcaps Legend
                      • Jan 2013
                      • 12098
                      • U.S.

                      #30
                      Re: Hisense f42k20e turns on, screen goes dark

                      You mentioned you still don't have a resistor, resistor is recommended, if you are real careful not to touch anything else, you can use a jumper wire, resistor is used so you don't short or blow anything by accidental contact or wrong jumping. Can try jumper if you do it correctly and carefully but resistor is the best policy.

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                      • x_orange90_x
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                        • May 2015
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                        #31
                        Re: Hisense f42k20e turns on, screen goes dark

                        Originally posted by nomoresonys
                        You mentioned you still don't have a resistor, resistor is recommended, if you are real careful not to touch anything else, you can use a jumper wire, resistor is used so you don't short or blow anything by accidental contact or wrong jumping. Can try jumper if you do it correctly and carefully but resistor is the best policy.
                        Using a jumper wire wouldn't hurt the BRI circuit would it? Should I place the wire back into the plug, or leave it out when jumping it?

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                        • nomoresonys
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                          • Jan 2013
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                          #32
                          Re: Hisense f42k20e turns on, screen goes dark

                          No, leave it out during test.

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                          • x_orange90_x
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                            #33
                            Re: Hisense f42k20e turns on, screen goes dark

                            Jumpered it and the backlights don't come on at all.

                            Edit:

                            I went to check voltage on the BRI pin with the jumper in place as before. I accidently slipped the probe on the connector but made a new discovery. The probe connected BRI to SW (BL_ON) which is less than 4v, and the backlights came on. I thought Uh OH at first, but then referred back to my previous readings and found that SW is almost the same voltage as STB. I placed the probe between the two pins again and held it for a few seconds. As long as those two pins (BRI and SW) are jumped the backlights stay on. More interesting however is that the screen was blue with the No Signal message (aka working properly).

                            I did however recheck BRI pin voltage and it was -2v. Checked SW and it's 3.84v. I don't understand why I'm getting a negative reading on BRI.
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                            Last edited by x_orange90_x; 01-19-2020, 12:55 PM.

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                            • x_orange90_x
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                              #34
                              Re: Hisense f42k20e turns on, screen goes dark

                              Jumped it with a wire and it works great. What's the possible risk in making this permanent and using it as is? Side from this potential possiblity, what would be the proper fix/what needs to be replaced?
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                              • nomoresonys
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                                • Jan 2013
                                • 12098
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                                #35
                                Re: Hisense f42k20e turns on, screen goes dark

                                Not exactly sure but it seems like maybe the mainboard isn't sending proper signal to turn backlighrts on.

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                                • x_orange90_x
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                                  #36
                                  Re: Hisense f42k20e turns on, screen goes dark

                                  I guess we'll see what budm has to say. I already know that the 2+ string isn't getting full voltage under normal circumstances. I'm just curious if this is anyway a potential fix/bypass.

                                  I'm going to leave it as is with BRI and SW jumpered and check the voltage of the LEDs again.

                                  Edit:
                                  1+ = 279v
                                  2+ = 67v

                                  This is with the backlights on, blue screen appears as normal with No Signal message, and no darkspots. I can change the Brightness in settings even with the BRI wire completely disconnected, but Backlight level does not change. 0 or 100 backlight is the same. I've been watching OTA TV on it for about a half hour so far with it jumped.
                                  Last edited by x_orange90_x; 01-19-2020, 03:02 PM.

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                                  • x_orange90_x
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                                    #37
                                    Re: Hisense f42k20e turns on, screen goes dark

                                    Watching TV for over an hour so far with no issues (other than not being able to adjust Backlight). I'm thinking about securing the jumper and buttening it up. If I were to reconnect the BRI wire WITH the jumper connected, would that enable me to control Backlight?

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                                    • budm
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                                      • Feb 2010
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                                      #38
                                      Re: Hisense f42k20e turns on, screen goes dark

                                      You need to lower the BRI feeding Voltage to may be around 2.5V that may put the backlights level to about 50%, you can us variable power supply (or test with 1.5V and 3V batteries to test the effect on the backlights level) to test if the backlights level will change.
                                      Never stop learning
                                      Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                                      Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                                      Inverter testing using old CFL:
                                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                                      Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                                      http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                                      TV Factory reset codes listing:
                                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                                      • x_orange90_x
                                        Badcaps Veteran
                                        • May 2015
                                        • 702
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                                        #39
                                        Re: Hisense f42k20e turns on, screen goes dark

                                        Originally posted by budm
                                        You need to lower the BRI feeding Voltage to may be around 2.5V that may put the backlights level to about 50%, you can us variable power supply (or test with 1.5V and 3V batteries to test the effect on the backlights level) to test if the backlights level will change.
                                        So as is the backlight would be 100%. Would reconnecting the BRI wire have any impact/allow me to change backlight level via the menu?

                                        What would be the "permanent" fix in order to reduce backlight to 75 or 50?

                                        I just answered one of my questions... Reconnecting the BRI wire while having BRI and SW jumpered.. Backlights turn off after a few seconds. It seems to me that whatever signal going through the BRI wire is not correct and causes the main board to turn off the LEDs. However, as long as the wire is disconnected and I have the jumper in place, it seems to be happy.
                                        Last edited by x_orange90_x; 01-19-2020, 06:34 PM.

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                                        • budm
                                          Badcaps Legend
                                          • Feb 2010
                                          • 40746
                                          • USA

                                          #40
                                          Re: Hisense f42k20e turns on, screen goes dark

                                          Originally posted by x_orange90_x
                                          So as is the backlight would be 100%. Would reconnecting the BRI wire have any impact/allow me to change backlight level via the menu?

                                          What would be the "permanent" fix in order to reduce backlight to 75 or 50?

                                          I just answered one of my questions... Reconnecting the BRI wire while having BRI and SW jumpered.. Backlights turn off after a few seconds. It seems to me that whatever signal going through the BRI wire is not correct and causes the main board to turn off the LEDs. However, as long as the wire is disconnected and I have the jumper in place, it seems to be happy.
                                          Well, you already know that you have BRI 0V which you reported, so now you force the BRI by jumping the BRI to Voltage source then you have backlights which is why you can no longer control the backlights level via user menu. Typical BRI analog control is that at 5V = max backlights, 0V = FULLY DIM.
                                          I already suggested you to try lowering the BRI feeding Voltage to see it will vary the backlights level or not.
                                          https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...4&d=1579461631
                                          BTW, it looks like you have strand of wire touching GND pin, you need to clean that up that is why I recommend resistor.

                                          Reconnecting the BRI wire while having BRI and SW jumpered.. Backlights turn off after a few seconds.
                                          The main control BRI but the main board is having problem and keeping that line grounded instead of providing the Voltage level for the BRI.
                                          You know, you are lucky so far from blowing parts on the main board not using resistor for protection.
                                          Last edited by budm; 01-19-2020, 07:55 PM.
                                          Never stop learning
                                          Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                                          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                                          Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                                          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                                          Inverter testing using old CFL:
                                          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                                          Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                                          http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                                          TV Factory reset codes listing:
                                          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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