desoldering station suggestion aoyue 474+ vs aoyue 474++ vs csi 474a

[clearchris]

Re: desoldering station suggestion aoyue 474+ vs aoyue 474++ vs csi 474a

I looked at the csi model. Looks ok, but really, its a gamble, just like when i bought the ++. There were people here who thought it was a really bad idea.

[stj]

Re: desoldering station suggestion aoyue 474+ vs aoyue 474++ vs csi 474a

csi has a few irons - one is a hakko FX951 rippoff that looks pretty good.

http://www.circuitspecialists.com/le...g-station.html
and in a nicer case:
http://www.circuitspecialists.com/so...-bk3000lf.html

these are a bit special because the element,and sensor are combined in the tip - they are the best type of design.
watch this link, it shows how fast these iron's work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u588...ature=youtu.be

if you get the nicer one,
you can build this later!!!
http://dangerousprototypes.com/forum...p=61175#p61175

[shelby5041]

Re: desoldering station suggestion aoyue 474+ vs aoyue 474++ vs csi 474a

well should i invest in a digital soldering station maybe from csi and also a desoldering digital station?....or do they make combo soldering desoldering stations

what i have now is pretty sad...lol

an upgrade is needed i believe....

[shelby5041]

Re: desoldering station suggestion aoyue 474+ vs aoyue 474++ vs csi 474a

stj what about this one?

http://www.circuitspecialists.com/csi_premier_75w.html

as compared to the one from csi you suggested

[stj]

Re: desoldering station suggestion aoyue 474+ vs aoyue 474++ vs csi 474a

no, that's shit.

i'll put this simply.,
there are 2 basic types of iron - not talking about the controller here, just the iron.

there is the traditional type with a tip that slides onto or into the element.
most are old hakko 900 series clones inc the one you just linked and most aoyue etc.

then there are professional irons that have a special all-in-one tip that contains the sensor and element in one.
these heat up faster and can work on large joints like motherboard capacitors that traditional irons have problems with.
they are hakko T12/T15, pace and JBL mostly, but the T12/T15 has been cloned and the tips are very cheap.
i would only buy that type of iron now.

watch that video i linked.

[stj]

Re: desoldering station suggestion aoyue 474+ vs aoyue 474++ vs csi 474a

watch this comparison of the 2 irons on the same base.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVrMjr0eCC4

[1supertech]

Re: desoldering station suggestion aoyue 474+ vs aoyue 474++ vs csi 474a

The problem with cheap de soldering station are the life span of a tip is very short
spend a bit more and get a hakko 808 or new version

[stj]

Re: desoldering station suggestion aoyue 474+ vs aoyue 474++ vs csi 474a

tips are cheap, and it's down to how you treat them.

[shelby5041]

Re: desoldering station suggestion aoyue 474+ vs aoyue 474++ vs csi 474a

hi thanks but no way in hell im going to spend 250.00 on a desoldering iron such as hakko 808

this is a hobby for me....not serious or career

im looking at the csi brand from circuit specialist or blackjack/aoyue from sra

i do apprdciate all input as i am dumb when it comes to this subject and just want to make a good decision

[clearchris]

Re: desoldering station suggestion aoyue 474+ vs aoyue 474++ vs csi 474a

I wouldnt say the problem with cheap/clone tips is lifespan. My problem with cheap tips is that they transfer heat poorly. I put some ebay tips on my hakko 888 and they are all but worthless. They take too long to heat up, then you solder a joint or two and the tip is cold again.

Those ebay tips will last forever, because they dont get any use...

[shelby5041]

Re: desoldering station suggestion aoyue 474+ vs aoyue 474++ vs csi 474a

hey stj tips are not cheap with the soldering station unit you recommended ..they are 12.00 each as compared to only 4.00 each for other style....

i really dont care about how fast it heats up....not important to me....is it that important to have the tip and sensor all in one piece?

[stj]

Re: desoldering station suggestion aoyue 474+ vs aoyue 474++ vs csi 474a

you can get those T12/T15 tips on ebay for about the same as you listed for the M900 type tips.

and yes,the all in one type can solder stuff that is too big for normal irons.
like multi-layer boards and huge copper area's like on pc powersupplies.

the speed is important because when the iron touches the joint it loses heat, and the controller has to get it back up to temperature as fast as possible or the solder wont melt.

[stj]

Re: desoldering station suggestion aoyue 474+ vs aoyue 474++ vs csi 474a

I wouldnt say the problem with cheap/clone tips is lifespan. My problem with cheap tips is that they transfer heat poorly. I put some ebay tips on my hakko 888 and they are all but worthless. They take too long to heat up, then you solder a joint or two and the tip is cold again.

Those ebay tips will last forever, because they dont get any use...

not a problem on the T15 tips even if they are clones.
the 888 uses the old 900 series tips.
try cutting one in half - see if they are copper core or not.
and put a bit of silicone grease on the element before you fit the tip.
it helps transfer heat and reduces sticking when you need to remove the tip.

btw, everybody needs to read the thread properly before posting.
the bit about tip life was refering to de-soldering units.

[pfrcom]

Re: desoldering station suggestion aoyue 474+ vs aoyue 474++ vs csi 474a

jbl

jbc ?

[stj]

Re: desoldering station suggestion aoyue 474+ vs aoyue 474++ vs csi 474a

my mistake, yes jbc
bit difficult to solder with a speaker!

[stj]

Re: desoldering station suggestion aoyue 474+ vs aoyue 474++ vs csi 474a

http://www.ebay.com/itm/390685073859
tips under 4$

[shelby5041]

Re: desoldering station suggestion aoyue 474+ vs aoyue 474++ vs csi 474a

oh ok.....well on ebay the other style tips sell for 1.00 lol if u go to sellers like the one you posted for the all in ones

anyways i will consider it..but they charge a lot for shipping so i will keep looking for a unit for about 60.00 that has free shipping and digital display

i like the csi2900 but no free shipping so its actually 75.00 shipped not 59.00


and will look for a desoldering station with digital display with free shipping


i dont want to fork out 145.00 for a desoldering station such as the aoyue 474a++

want to keep it under 100.00 total

[shelby5041]

Re: desoldering station suggestion aoyue 474+ vs aoyue 474++ vs csi 474a

what about this....if i get the good soldering station csi2900 awill it possibly be good enough to use solder wick to remove the almost impossible ipm chips on plasma tvs that are on multilayer boards with metal pads on top and bottom of board..??

[shelby5041]

Re: desoldering station suggestion aoyue 474+ vs aoyue 474++ vs csi 474a

i actually have one of these but have never used it...

http://www.sears.com/weller-174-port...&mktRedirect=y

[stj]

Re: desoldering station suggestion aoyue 474+ vs aoyue 474++ vs csi 474a

portasol - it's good that you never used it.
it means you never ruined any boards!
i had one of those bastards - no good for soldering, only setting fire to things!

have you got a 24v psu that can generate atleast 3amps by any chance?