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Old 03-11-2013, 05:01 PM   #1
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Default more wifi "borrowing" talk

ok so my neighbor has his wifi unsecured and im "borrowing" it is it that bad?(by any thing but the law)
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Old 03-11-2013, 11:16 PM   #2
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Default Re: more wifi "borrowing" talk

From what I gather most folks frown upon it and consider it a form of "stealing". But here in my home state of TN, the law says that if you have a wireless network, it is your job to secure it, otherwise you are giving implied consent for anonymous users to access your network.

Some folks might think that this is quite stupid but consider this hypothetical scenario... Lets say there is some sort of business next to a residential neighborhood and for whatever reason their WIFI network is unsecured, for say the purposes of providing a hotspot for customers to connect to the internet. Next door lives Joe Schmoe, he is not very tech savvy and for all practical intents and purposes he does good to turn the light switch on and off let alone configure his computer's network settings. One day he turns on his computer and sees that he now magically has internet, or that every time he turns on his laptop it automagically connects to the business next door as that is the way his hardware is configured by default, even though he has DSL running off ethernet and there is a problem with it. Anyhoos for whatever reason his computer decides to connect to the business next door and he does not notice it. Eventually the business owner gets to noticing that there is a whole crapload of porn being downloaded, pokes around in his network logs and sees Joe Schmoe's computer as the one doing all the downloading. After concluding that Joe Schmoe is not a customer he calls the police. The police conduct an investigation and eventually end up arresting Joe Schoe for theft of services and unauthorized network access or whatever, a felony that carries a prison term.

If you think that the above sounds crazy and far out, well it is... but the scary part is that if such a law which specifically codifies that it is a network owner's job to secure their own network did not exist it could result in Joe Schmoe and many other citizens theoretically getting prosecuted for unintentional trespasses onto other people's networks.

So if the law specifically says no crime is committed when accessing an unsecured network, then in my book its OK to do so. Don't want me on your network? The solution is simple, lock your shit up.
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Old 03-12-2013, 01:01 AM   #3
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Default Re: more wifi "borrowing" talk

i agree with evil lurker if they dont secure it its fair game.
back when i was living in leduc before i got my cable hooked up my neighbors connection was unsecure so i used it till my cable got hooked up.
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Default Re: more wifi "borrowing" talk

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But here in my home state of TN, the law says that if you have a wireless network, it is your job to secure it, otherwise you are giving implied consent for anonymous users to access your network.
I put the onus firmly on the user by saying "the ultimate responsibility of using wireless security is with the user", because I want the user to be educated about wireless security.
If I was an ISP, I would not issue wireless access points which are secured out of the box (because I put the onus firmly on the user), but I would inform that the user is responsible for the security of their computers and network so they can make a good choice of security as per the supplied manual (and even informs the user with the passphrase security calculator in the configuration pages).
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Old 03-12-2013, 12:57 PM   #5
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Default Re: more wifi "borrowing" talk

ok there is no law against that in Lakewood so its fair game?
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Old 03-12-2013, 03:52 PM   #6
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I had always heard that it was unlawful to access any computer network without the permission of the owner/administrator. That would include any unsecured wireless network.
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Old 03-12-2013, 03:55 PM   #7
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So, if you don't lock the doors on your house, anyone can just walk in and use anything in your house?

See how foolish a law like that is.
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Old 03-12-2013, 11:39 PM   #8
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Default Re: more wifi "borrowing" talk

When I lived in Saudi Arabia, I didn't even have a key for the house. Everyone knew if you walked in and borrowed something, you would lose your hand. A great deterrent. There also was no insurance industry. You mess up, you pay for it yourself.
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Something to consider.

Free unsecured wifis may not be the ignorance of the owner. There are honeypot wifis designed to let the unsuspecting user think they get a free ride when in reality their wifi traffic is being captured, analyzed and logged.

When I encounter a free wifi anywhere I never do anything that requires me to login/password regardless if the session uses https or equivalent technology. While the username/password may be encrypted (like logging into yahoo mail), the rest of the session is clear text (like yahoo mail).
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