The Hall of Shame - Badcaps Photo Montage - Page 11

**Colt45ws** · 03-03-2010, 06:27 PM

Those are probably Sacon FZ series.

kgordon · 03-04-2010, 05:47 PM

Here are 4 photos of the bad caps on the EVGA e-GeForce 7600GS video card. I hope they are clear enough. If they aren't, I'll redo them.

As I said, when this thing blew up, it took out the mobo too. :-(

kgordon · 03-04-2010, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colt45ws

Those are probably Sacon FZ series.

I'll bet you're right.

So, what should I replace them with? Panasonics? Rubycon? Nichicon?

Ken Gordon W7EKB

**c_hegge** · 03-04-2010, 07:57 PM

Kgordon, Topcat had some similar cards to yours, also with failed Sacon FZ.

http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=8679

**PCBONEZ** · 03-06-2010, 12:44 PM

Those are Sacon FZ series. - Complete Crap.
Sacon = GSC = Evercon. -> New names, same company, same crappy caps.
The FZ also come with black markings.
They try to look like Nichicon [black] or Chemicon [blue] Solid Polymer caps but the "K" stamp gives them away as regular lytics.

**PCBONEZ** · 03-06-2010, 12:52 PM

Panasonic FM or FJ, Rubycon MBZ, Sanyo WG, or solid Polymer are all good choices to replace FZ. - Even though a ultra-crap brand FZ are high grade caps. [Grade meaning ESR/Ripple ratings, not quality.]

**Colt45ws** · 03-06-2010, 09:05 PM

The only one I see was a 470uF 16V, which is rated 1800mA ripple, 0.022 ESR.

kgordon · 03-09-2010, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colt45ws

The only one I see was a 470uF 16V, which is rated 1800mA ripple, 0.022 ESR.

I am somewhat confused: do you mean in my photos?

I can see two 1500uF at 6.3 with blown tops in the first photo, and two 1000uF 6.3 with blown tops in the last photo.

I apologize for not posting better photos, but I didn't have my camera with me. I took those with my cell phone camera.

Ken Gordon W7EKB

gwb · 03-09-2010, 11:09 PM

Here are some shots of a video card that was in a client's PC. User reported that the screen would blink or flicker.

I'll resize later if pics are too large.

**Colt45ws** · 03-10-2010, 01:05 AM

Are you sure? I see a FZ 470 16V in the forth pic. I see now its different from the others. If you are going to replace the bad ones, you might as well do that one too, just because its not explody does not mean its not bad..
1500uF @ 6.3V is rated same as the 470uF 16V parts.
1000uF @ 6.3V is rated 1150mA ripple 0.036 ESR

kgordon · 03-10-2010, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colt45ws

Are you sure?

Yup. 4 of the little dudes are spilling their guts. I REALLY need a better camera!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colt45ws

I see a FZ 470 16V in the forth pic. I see now its different from the others. If you are going to replace the bad ones, you might as well do that one too, just because its not explody does not mean its not bad..

I completely agree. What I had thought was that I should replace ALL of them. New caps aren't all that expensive. Trouble is, I am not sure the stupid card still works. Guess I'll find out.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colt45ws

1500uF @ 6.3V is rated same as the 470uF 16V parts.
1000uF @ 6.3V is rated 1150mA ripple 0.036 ESR

Thanks. More later.

Ken Gordon W7EKB

kgordon · 03-11-2010, 05:47 PM

Can anyone tell me 1) who made these POSs, and 2) what the information written on them and their colors mean?

For instance, in the photo of the single cap, the number 49, 470 (uf, I presume), the 6e, and the green stripe.

I apologize for the out-of-focus photos, but I will bring my "good" camera to work tomorrow.

Ken Gordon W7EKB

**PCBONEZ** · 03-12-2010, 11:04 AM

Very hard to ID some polys.
If they are using a typical marking scheme.....
The 47 & 49 are -probably- a bacth/date code.
470 is the uF
6 & 16 are the volts. ['6' probably means 6.3v]
The 'E' and 'A' - series codes.

robert · 06-05-2010, 05:04 PM

The green ones are sanyo/suncon CE-EX (http://www.sunelec.co.jp/eng/catalog/pdf/eCE-EX.pdf).
These are hybrid polymer capacitors like the yellow fujitsu, and normally are reliable.
Black ones are Sanyo/Suncon CE-AX electrolytic (http://www.sunelec.co.jp/eng/catalog/pdf/e40_41.pdf)

TinSoldier · 08-07-2010, 12:36 AM

Here are the bad caps from my Samsung LN-S4041D LCDTV power supply board. Samwha 1000uF 10V 105C series WB. They're also marked "U8A" on one side. Not sure what that means, doesn't quite seem like a date code but I guess it could be.

Replaced with Rubicon 1000uF 16V MCZs from Badcaps.net. Four of them.

I was going to replace the other two, but I failed to notice on my initial inspection before ordering that the two other caps were 1000uF 25V. They're also series WB but they seem to be okay. I think I'll let 'em slide for now.

It's the 10V caps which are a known issue with this model.

This is the project which brought me to this site. Hopefully the information can be useful to someone else.

**PCBONEZ** · 08-07-2010, 12:51 AM

They are WB series. - It is to the right of the logo.

TinSoldier · 08-07-2010, 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PCBONEZ

They are WB series. - It is to the right of the logo.

Heh, yeah. I got that. It's right in my post.

I just wasn't sure what "U8A" meant although I think it might be some kind of date code (other caps are marked U something A). There's also an "M" in parentheses after the 105C mark.

But yeah, I've read that the 10V rated caps in these TVs are faulty and that the Samwha WB series caps are touch-and-go in general. (Someone here, somewhere, mentioned that.)

**PCBONEZ** · 08-07-2010, 01:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TinSoldier

Heh, yeah. I got that. It's right in my post.

.
I lost it in the speculation about what U8A is.
I agree, it's a date code but I dunno how to decode it.
- WB is an obsolete series. Not made any more.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TinSoldier

There's also an "M" in parentheses after the 105C mark.

The M is the uF tolerance. It means +/-20%.
Most all caps you will see in PC stuff are +/-20% so you will see the M a lot.
.

TinSoldier · 08-07-2010, 01:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PCBONEZ

The M is the uF tolerance. It means +/-20%.
Most all caps you will see in PC stuff are +/-20% so you will see the M a lot.
.

Thanks! *files away in cerebral knowledge base*

**PCBONEZ** · 08-07-2010, 02:38 AM

My cerebral knowledge base leaked out all over the floor when I thought I'd retired from this crap.
I've spent the last couple years trying to cram some of it back in.
.

03-03-2010, 06:27 PM	#201
Colt45ws Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 City & State: Central Washington My Country: USA Line Voltage: 120VAC 60Hz I'm a: Knowledge Seeker Posts: 170	Re: The Hall of Shame - Badcaps Photo Montage Those are probably Sacon FZ series.

03-04-2010, 07:57 PM	#204
c_hegge Badcaps Veteran Join Date: Sep 2009 City & State: North Coast, NSW My Country: Australia Line Voltage: 240V 50Hz I'm a: Professional Tech Posts: 5,051	Re: The Hall of Shame - Badcaps Photo Montage Kgordon, Topcat had some similar cards to yours, also with failed Sacon FZ. http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=8679 __________________ I love putting bad caps and flat batteries in fire and watching them explode!! No wonder it doesn't work! You installed the jumper wires backwards Main PC: Core i7 3770K 3.5GHz, Gigabyte GA-Z77M-D3H-MVP, 8GB Kingston HyperX DDR3 1600, 240GB Intel 335 Series SSD, 750GB WD HDD, Sony Optiarc DVD RW, Palit nVidia GTX660 Ti, CoolerMaster N200 Case, Delta DPS-600MB 600W PSU, Hauppauge TV Tuner, Windows 7 Home Premium Office PC: HP ProLiant ML150 G3, 2x Xeon E5335 2GHz, 4GB DDR2 RAM, 120GB Intel 530 SSD, 2x 250GB HDD, 2x 450GB 15K SAS HDD in RAID 1, 1x 2TB HDD, nVidia 8400GS, Delta DPS-650BB 650W PSU, Windows 7 Pro

03-06-2010, 12:44 PM	#205
PCBONEZ Grumpy Old Fart Join Date: Aug 2005 City & State: Phoenix, AZ My Country: USA Line Voltage: 120V 60Hz I'm a: Professional Tech Posts: 10,630	Re: The Hall of Shame - Badcaps Photo Montage Those are Sacon FZ series. - Complete Crap. Sacon = GSC = Evercon. -> New names, same company, same crappy caps. The FZ also come with black markings. They try to look like Nichicon [black] or Chemicon [blue] Solid Polymer caps but the "K" stamp gives them away as regular lytics. __________________ Mann-Made Global Warming. - We should be more concerned about the Intellectual Climate. - Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr Seuss - You can teach a man to fish and feed him for life, but if he can't handle sushi you must also teach him to cook. -

03-06-2010, 12:52 PM	#206
PCBONEZ Grumpy Old Fart Join Date: Aug 2005 City & State: Phoenix, AZ My Country: USA Line Voltage: 120V 60Hz I'm a: Professional Tech Posts: 10,630	Re: The Hall of Shame - Badcaps Photo Montage Panasonic FM or FJ, Rubycon MBZ, Sanyo WG, or solid Polymer are all good choices to replace FZ. - Even though a ultra-crap brand FZ are high grade caps. [Grade meaning ESR/Ripple ratings, not quality.]

03-06-2010, 09:05 PM	#207
Colt45ws Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 City & State: Central Washington My Country: USA Line Voltage: 120VAC 60Hz I'm a: Knowledge Seeker Posts: 170	Re: The Hall of Shame - Badcaps Photo Montage The only one I see was a 470uF 16V, which is rated 1800mA ripple, 0.022 ESR.

03-10-2010, 01:05 AM	#210
Colt45ws Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 City & State: Central Washington My Country: USA Line Voltage: 120VAC 60Hz I'm a: Knowledge Seeker Posts: 170	Re: The Hall of Shame - Badcaps Photo Montage Are you sure? I see a FZ 470 16V in the forth pic. I see now its different from the others. If you are going to replace the bad ones, you might as well do that one too, just because its not explody does not mean its not bad.. 1500uF @ 6.3V is rated same as the 470uF 16V parts. 1000uF @ 6.3V is rated 1150mA ripple 0.036 ESR

03-12-2010, 11:04 AM	#213
PCBONEZ Grumpy Old Fart Join Date: Aug 2005 City & State: Phoenix, AZ My Country: USA Line Voltage: 120V 60Hz I'm a: Professional Tech Posts: 10,630	Re: The Hall of Shame - Badcaps Photo Montage Very hard to ID some polys. If they are using a typical marking scheme..... The 47 & 49 are -probably- a bacth/date code. 470 is the uF 6 & 16 are the volts. ['6' probably means 6.3v] The 'E' and 'A' - series codes.

06-05-2010, 05:04 PM	#214
robert Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 53	Re: The Hall of Shame - Badcaps Photo Montage The green ones are sanyo/suncon CE-EX (http://www.sunelec.co.jp/eng/catalog/pdf/eCE-EX.pdf). These are hybrid polymer capacitors like the yellow fujitsu, and normally are reliable. Black ones are Sanyo/Suncon CE-AX electrolytic (http://www.sunelec.co.jp/eng/catalog/pdf/e40_41.pdf)

08-07-2010, 12:51 AM	#216
PCBONEZ Grumpy Old Fart Join Date: Aug 2005 City & State: Phoenix, AZ My Country: USA Line Voltage: 120V 60Hz I'm a: Professional Tech Posts: 10,630	Re: The Hall of Shame - Badcaps Photo Montage They are WB series. - It is to the right of the logo.

08-07-2010, 02:38 AM	#220
PCBONEZ Grumpy Old Fart Join Date: Aug 2005 City & State: Phoenix, AZ My Country: USA Line Voltage: 120V 60Hz I'm a: Professional Tech Posts: 10,630	Re: The Hall of Shame - Badcaps Photo Montage My cerebral knowledge base leaked out all over the floor when I thought I'd retired from this crap. I've spent the last couple years trying to cram some of it back in. .