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Old 02-14-2021, 03:44 PM   #1
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Default New tool to find short capacitors on motherboards : shorty with display

Hi everyone,

I would like to share a project I made recently : I adapted a shorty device and added a display.
it becomes a 0.1mΩ meter with surprising stability.
the original shorty project is here : https://hackaday.io/project/3635-sho...circuit-finder
I did one showed here (http://kripton2035.free.fr/Projects/proj-shorty.html) and was pleased with its performances, but it lack a display.

here is a video showing the measuring of some small values resistors :
https://youtu.be/4F6QNSpWTos


here another video showing continuous resistance measuring along a soldier roller :
https://youtu.be/8mYyr9uKpFU


and last another video showing how to find a shorted capacitor on a 820-00165 macbook air motherboard.
fast and easy.
https://youtu.be/L4V3BWReZLY


I'm cleaning the schematic and sources, and will share it when it's ready.
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Old 02-14-2021, 04:03 PM   #2
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interesting, what is the avr adc resolution, 12bit?
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Old 02-14-2021, 05:52 PM   #3
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Hi everyone,

I would like to share a project I made recently : I adapted a shorty device and added a display.
it becomes a 0.1mΩ meter with surprising stability.
the original shorty project is here : https://hackaday.io/project/3635-sho...circuit-finder
I did one showed here (http://kripton2035.free.fr/Projects/proj-shorty.html) and was pleased with its performances, but it lack a display.

here is a video showing the measuring of some small values resistors :
https://youtu.be/4F6QNSpWTos


here another video showing continuous resistance measuring along a soldier roller :
https://youtu.be/8mYyr9uKpFU


and last another video showing how to find a shorted capacitor on a 820-00165 macbook air motherboard.
fast and easy.
https://youtu.be/L4V3BWReZLY


I'm cleaning the schematic and sources, and will share it when it's ready.
What micro controller did you

Could you please post the code that you used for this project

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Old 02-14-2021, 06:32 PM   #4
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Nice work adding the screen, I look forward to you releasing the source and schematics.
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Old 02-15-2021, 12:33 AM   #5
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Default Re: New tool to find short capacitors on motherboards : shorty with display

the microcontroller is an arduino nano
the ADC is an mcp3421 in 16 bits mode, the 18bits being too slow at 3 samples/sec

I first used the avr adc (at 10 bits) and it was enough with the shorty initial amplification (x200)
then I tried the 18b adc and lowered the amplification for better range to 27x
the video use the 18b adc in 16b mode (and no pga gain)
it can read 0.1mΩ to around 2.5Ω

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Old 02-15-2021, 01:43 PM   #6
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Default Re: New tool to find short capacitors on motherboards : shorty with display

Thanks for posting.
I'm following your project with interest on eevblog too

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testge...with-display)/
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Interesting project...
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very interesting project! thx for sharing!
we wait for details!
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Default Re: New tool to find short capacitors on motherboards : shorty with display

share your schematic and code - dont take too long on board layouts - everybody will probably make changes anyway.
like ditching the arduino and putting an mcu on the main board.
personally i hate din connectors - that may just be me!
4mm shrouded sockets would allow me to just use my multimeter probes.
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It won`t be long before the chinese start selling it. Interesting project ,very good .
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personally i hate din connectors - that may just be me!
4mm shrouded sockets would allow me to just use my multimeter probes.
you must have 4-wires probe or you won't get the reading stability like on the video.
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Old 02-19-2021, 12:44 AM   #13
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It won`t be long before the chinese start selling it. Interesting project ,very good .
Thought on that right after posting my comment
My advice, if any good, to is to hide something important and only release to forum registered members.
I'm sure anyone would come up with a better idea if @kripton2035 is up to it
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it is based on an open source design - it would be a bit wrong to close it.

on connectors - did i say i hate din plugs?
so for 4pins i would use mini-XLR connectors.
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just noticed, your prototype has an 8pin adc, but the part number your using is mostly just sold as 6pin sot23 package.

not a problem, but keep that in mind if your going to design pcb's
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Old 02-19-2021, 09:52 AM   #16
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Default Re: New tool to find short capacitors on motherboards : shorty with display

the shorty original is open sourced, so I really can't make mine a closed design.
by the way, there is nothing complicated on this design, just add a display and a better adc on a shorty.
I even reused the same protoboard and box where my original shorty was.
I only was the first it seems to have this idea and realize it in real.

I will publish the design on my web site in a few days, the pcb will come later after testing it.

@stj : the adc is on a 8 pins protoboard, but it is a 6 pins, the last two pins are not connected on the adapter sot23-6 to 8pdip.

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i didnt know sot23-6 fited on those soic boards.
that's good because i have a load of those adapters.

infact other than the adc i have it all.
arduino's, blue-pills, esp8266's, oleds - i keep lots of such stuff!
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Default Re: New tool to find short capacitors on motherboards : shorty with display

I also changed the aop, from a mcp6041 to a ad8628
the mcp had too much voltage offset, and I losed a lot of low mΩ resolution with it
the ad8628 is perfect with 1V offset.

not sure you also have the aop in your drawers ?
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i only have dac's
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ad8628 is just an op-amp??
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