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  • tonyuk
    Badcaps Veteran
    • Feb 2014
    • 238
    • uk

    #1

    new toy

    just got myself a new toy cant wait for the post
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  • 3d0
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2014
    • 159
    • BiH

    #2
    Re: new toy

    Watched the assembly process a couple days ago, this if for the KADA 852D+

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quGs3q9nsA8

    Funny how the picture has a stamp, tatoo-supplies
    How much did you pay for it?

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    • tonyuk
      Badcaps Veteran
      • Feb 2014
      • 238
      • uk

      #3
      Re: new toy

      £50 but think should be ok i hope ?

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      • tonyuk
        Badcaps Veteran
        • Feb 2014
        • 238
        • uk

        #4
        Re: new toy

        the pic is not place i got it from lol SMD Soldering Rework Station Hot Air & Iron 852D+ 5Tips ESD PLCC High Quality F
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        • 3d0
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2014
          • 159
          • BiH

          #5
          Re: new toy

          That's dirt cheap!
          I think those tips on the soldering iron are interchangeable with the ones from hakko 936.

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          • tonyuk
            Badcaps Veteran
            • Feb 2014
            • 238
            • uk

            #6
            Re: new toy

            Originally posted by 3d0
            That's dirt cheap!
            I think those tips on the soldering iron are interchangeable with the ones from hakko 936.
            thats new aswell they have gd feed bk on these do you think tips will be ok or do you have link for better tips
            Last edited by tonyuk; 02-26-2014, 10:56 AM.

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            • Kiriakos GR
              Banned
              • May 2012
              • 940
              • Greece

              #7
              Re: new toy

              Originally posted by tonyuk
              £50 but think should be ok i hope ?
              True price in China about 40$ USD

              I am aware that a huge cargo boat unloaded to UK huge numbers of those and similar.
              Of all sort of brands.

              Chinese people are acting as sellers in UK, and even offer free shipping.
              A complete Hot Air handle replacement cost less than 8$ USD.
              My Advice, seek for one of these.

              This 60W soldering iron is useless for motherboards, and five layer PCB.
              When you will think that you do not need toys any more, you will move to a 90W one which it does using very specific spare parts, and they are more robust.
              Last edited by Kiriakos GR; 03-01-2014, 04:56 AM.

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              • dj_ricoh
                Badcaps Legend
                • Jan 2013
                • 2073
                • uk

                #8
                Re: new toy

                Originally posted by Kiriakos GR
                This 60W soldering iron is useless for motherboards, and five layer PCB.
                with original iron tip yes!

                i got mine for almost 4 years.
                i change the tip with the large one the first (top) and it can handle anything
                of course i got a gordak 952a but the iron its still the same .(heat element)

                "is useless for motherboards"
                Yes! it is useless if you don`t know how to use your tools.
                if someone shows some tricks how to do it with low budget tools you can do it even with heated NAIL.
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                Just cook it! It's already broken.

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                • tonyuk
                  Badcaps Veteran
                  • Feb 2014
                  • 238
                  • uk

                  #9
                  Re: new toy

                  thanks dj do have a link for parts i could use to upgrade many thanks

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                  • Kiriakos GR
                    Banned
                    • May 2012
                    • 940
                    • Greece

                    #10
                    Re: new toy

                    Originally posted by dj_ricoh
                    with original iron tip yes!
                    Heat transfer improvements cannot bring back to you 90W of heating power, no matter how powerful magician you are.

                    Originally posted by dj_ricoh

                    " 60W is useless for motherboards"
                    Yes! it is useless if you don`t know how to use your tools.
                    if someone shows some tricks how to do it with low budget tools you can do it even with heated NAIL.
                    When time is not an important parameter I can use an magnifying glass and sun rays so to heat ten nails together.
                    Therefore I am a better magician than you.

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                    • SM-Piyes90
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2014
                      • 120
                      • Morocco

                      #11
                      Re: new toy

                      I have a chinese smd rework station MASTER 852 ( Same build with different names ) , but sadly the soldering iron is too weak.

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                      • dj_ricoh
                        Badcaps Legend
                        • Jan 2013
                        • 2073
                        • uk

                        #12
                        Re: new toy

                        Originally posted by Kiriakos GR
                        Heat transfer improvements cannot bring back to you 90W of heating power, no matter how powerful magician you are.



                        When time is not an important parameter I can use an magnifying glass and sun rays so to heat ten nails together.
                        Therefore I am a better magician than you.
                        i agree with you
                        that's why they made high end tools
                        a better productivity
                        Just cook it! It's already broken.

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                        • mockingbird
                          Badcaps Legend
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 5484
                          • -

                          #13
                          Re: new toy

                          Originally posted by Kiriakos GR
                          Heat transfer improvements cannot bring back to you 90W of heating power, no matter how powerful magician you are.



                          When time is not an important parameter I can use an magnifying glass and sun rays so to heat ten nails together.
                          Therefore I am a better magician than you.
                          You must have the hands of a fat Turkish lady if you need 90W to desolder from motherboards and 5-layer PCBs.

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                          • tom66
                            EVs Rule
                            • Apr 2011
                            • 32560
                            • UK

                            #14
                            Re: new toy

                            [offtopic] 5 layer PCBs are rarer than hens teeth. Layer counts above 1 are even because of how the boards are made - symmetrically - no point in cutting a layer off.
                            Please do not PM me with questions! Questions via PM will not be answered. Post on the forums instead!
                            For service manual, schematic, boardview (board view), datasheet, cad - use our search.

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                            • Kiriakos GR
                              Banned
                              • May 2012
                              • 940
                              • Greece

                              #15
                              Re: new toy

                              Originally posted by mockingbird
                              You must have the hands of a fat Turkish lady if you need 90W to desolder from motherboards and 5-layer PCBs.
                              You must have the brain of a Jewish fat lady if you can think that even 90W are easy to be transferred as thermal energy when using a tiny SMD-compatible soldering tip.

                              Therefore in this difficulty when the soldering iron is capable for rapid recovery due thermal loss as all those 400 - 600$ soldering stations, you do have in your side a major advantage.
                              And If you spend about 170$ for one ATTEN AT90DH, your wallet accepts another 250$ advantage too.

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                              • Kiriakos GR
                                Banned
                                • May 2012
                                • 940
                                • Greece

                                #16
                                Re: new toy

                                Originally posted by dj_ricoh
                                i agree with you
                                that's why they made high end tools
                                a better productivity
                                Yes now that you are at the right track , I will just remind to all readers that industry leads the train of tecnology, and to us (the repair man) there is only one choice, if we will show cooperation so to become part of it, or denial in getting the proper tools and knowledge about engaging with it.

                                Productivity it is not actualy translate with money and profitability, productivity saves you even time that you could spend with your girl friend, or with friends, or with your kids.

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                                • dj_ricoh
                                  Badcaps Legend
                                  • Jan 2013
                                  • 2073
                                  • uk

                                  #17
                                  Re: new toy

                                  i think that a proper tool is the beginning of the stage.
                                  you can`t appreciate the best tool even if someone hits you in the head if don`t know how to use it.
                                  i think that the low budget tools are made for that thing only. To "play" around.
                                  only if manage to pass that stage and do incredible things with it, you can really appreciate the value of a great Tool.

                                  I got a question witch do you prefer to learn with the best tool or the lowest?
                                  i think that it depends of the situation.
                                  Just cook it! It's already broken.

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                                  • Kiriakos GR
                                    Banned
                                    • May 2012
                                    • 940
                                    • Greece

                                    #18
                                    Re: new toy

                                    There is one parameter which many they do ignore.
                                    This called as quality of service, if for example I try to de-solder and re-solder one part for thee times and the PCB pads start getting destroyed... this is 100% due my stupidity of not using the right tools for the job.
                                    The inappropriate in quality tools causing damage, and this damages your personal reputation as repair man.

                                    When performing any repair I do offer a warranty period to my customer so to gain additional trust and loyalty.

                                    You can not have such high expectations about keeping close your customers when you use an axe instead of a fine blade.

                                    Training helps when you misusing a perfectly made tool for the job, but when comes down handling an axe, no one can teach you how to slice cheese with it.

                                    In conclusion, we do have a choice about selecting our tools, but only among the ones which are fine blades.
                                    Therefore when I become mad in forums, is because there is around many fake doctors which their ego and reactions damages the young ones heads in adapting healthy principals which will help them to advance and win in that constant competition which called as life.

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                                    • clearchris
                                      Badcaps Veteran
                                      • Dec 2013
                                      • 687
                                      • United States

                                      #19
                                      Re: new toy

                                      90w iron?

                                      So far, my hakko 888d (65w per manufacturer) has been able to handle anything i have thrown at it. AFAIK, the extra wattage just gets your recovery time faster. It goes from cold to 450c in under 20 seconds.

                                      I have also soldered, slowly, with a 30w pen iron.

                                      What does extra wattage get you?

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                                      • tom66
                                        EVs Rule
                                        • Apr 2011
                                        • 32560
                                        • UK

                                        #20
                                        Re: new toy

                                        The ability to destroy components even faster.

                                        I've done whole boards with a trusty Antex 690SD, it's a 65W iron. 0603 etc. No difficulty whatsoever. Only way it struggles is with big through hole components (like LG plasma IPMs), but for those you're better off using a high power unregulated iron.
                                        Please do not PM me with questions! Questions via PM will not be answered. Post on the forums instead!
                                        For service manual, schematic, boardview (board view), datasheet, cad - use our search.

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