Suggestions which FLASH programmer to buy...

**scokljat** · 10-04-2014, 06:11 AM

Hello,

I need to buy a USB FLASH programmer to erase, program and test 4GB (32Gbx1) K9GAG08U0E-PCB0 TSOP48 NAND FLASH chips and 512KB (4Mbx1) MX25L4006EM1I-12G serial FLASH 8pin SOP chips. Most of all I need comprehensive testing of these chips so I can manage which ones are bad. I have hundreds of these chips removed from bad tablet mainboards...

I found this cheap programmer on ebay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/171341819315...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

What do you think of it? Is this programmer and it's software capable of testing/programming my chips, especially 4GB NAND flash TSOP48??

Any help and suggestion is more than welcome.

Thanks!

Cheers,

Suad

**scokljat** · 10-06-2014, 02:20 PM

Anyone? Please...

S

Chriso · 10-07-2014, 01:29 PM

Have a look at the EEVblog - there's a huge thread there about it
I bought mine from Amazon.

**scokljat** · 10-08-2014, 06:02 PM

Chriso, thank you for the link. Well, is a 39 pages thread, so I suppose answer to my question won't be so easy ;-) Actually, I'm not quite optimistic about this programmer is capable of programing 4GB NAND flash chips...

S

**rtstorm** · 10-10-2014, 02:27 AM

i have the TL866 with many adapters and it is working fine, the released the 6.1 version now. It is simple tu use

**scokljat** · 10-10-2014, 03:46 AM

rtstorm, did you try to erase, program and test large TSOP48 4GB NAND flash chips?

**rtstorm** · 10-12-2014, 05:34 PM

i did not, most of the time i use them to flash notebook bios. But i also use on MAXIM 29LV008CBTC-70G FLASH MEMORY chip and its doing great.

**Agent24** · 10-12-2014, 06:06 PM

Stilling running a parallel-port based Willem here... I don't use it much!

**stj** · 10-12-2014, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agent24

Stilling running a parallel-port based Willem here... I don't use it much!

NOOOOOoooooooooooooo.................

**Agent24** · 10-12-2014, 09:16 PM

It works - when you load the right program version.

**stj** · 10-12-2014, 09:34 PM

but it's like, 1hour per chip or something from what i remember!!!

**Agent24** · 10-12-2014, 09:38 PM

I guess it would be slower than a USB one. But I haven't seen anything take 1 hour though... but I haven't tried anything over 16Mbit IIRC, which took a few minutes. Most chips I do are very small and are under a minute.

I don't even know if it supports anything really huge.. I doubt it.

**stj** · 10-12-2014, 11:23 PM

i'm doing a lot of 32Mbit chips, and i'm glad i'm using a 48XP to do them!

**scokljat** · 10-13-2014, 02:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stj

i'm doing a lot of 32Mbit chips, and i'm glad i'm using a 48XP to do them!

Well, I'm talking about 32Gbit... :-)

S

**stj** · 10-13-2014, 09:38 AM

if you just want to do serial nandflash,
you can use a modified xd-picturecard reader.

those are just nandflash

**dj_ricoh** · 10-13-2014, 11:29 AM

yes yes! but how you read the dam HEX file!

my head hurts! pfffff

**stj** · 10-13-2014, 12:42 PM

you mean how to read the chip?
well use linux and use the DD command to copy the whole device as sectors to a file.

or there are windows programs to do it, but i cant remember the name.

keep in mind, you probably cant make sense of the dump, it's only good for cloning.
most serial flash uses some type of filesystem.
if you dont know the detail you cant mount it and mess with the content.

also, writing to flash with errors may be an issue because the error mapping may clash with the dump.

these issues arent related to xd-hacks, but effect *all* nandflash programmers.

**Pragmatiko** · 10-24-2014, 01:20 PM

SmartPro X8 😉

**Agent24** · 10-24-2014, 02:19 PM

Whichever one has the best software or support. All the fancy hardware in the world won't do anything if they decide to release only some shitty software that only works in Windows 95 or something.

**tibimakai** · 12-18-2014, 12:24 AM

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TNM-2000-USB...-/321207236799
There is a 5000 model also.

10-06-2014, 02:20 PM	#2
scokljat Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 City & State: Zagreb My Country: Croatia Line Voltage: 230VAC 50Hz I'm a: Knowledge Seeker Posts: 161	Re: Suggestions which FLASH programmer to buy... Anyone? Please... S

10-07-2014, 01:29 PM	#3
Chriso Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 30	Re: Suggestions which FLASH programmer to buy... Have a look at the EEVblog - there's a huge thread there about it I bought mine from Amazon.

10-08-2014, 06:02 PM	#4
scokljat Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 City & State: Zagreb My Country: Croatia Line Voltage: 230VAC 50Hz I'm a: Knowledge Seeker Posts: 161	Re: Suggestions which FLASH programmer to buy... Chriso, thank you for the link. Well, is a 39 pages thread, so I suppose answer to my question won't be so easy ;-) Actually, I'm not quite optimistic about this programmer is capable of programing 4GB NAND flash chips... S

10-10-2014, 02:27 AM	#5
rtstorm Badcaps Veteran Join Date: Feb 2012 City & State: Croatia, Osijek My Country: Croatia Line Voltage: 230V 50Hz I'm a: Knowledge Seeker Posts: 801	Re: Suggestions which FLASH programmer to buy... i have the TL866 with many adapters and it is working fine, the released the 6.1 version now. It is simple tu use __________________ ...the quieter you become the more you are able to hear...

10-10-2014, 03:46 AM	#6
scokljat Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 City & State: Zagreb My Country: Croatia Line Voltage: 230VAC 50Hz I'm a: Knowledge Seeker Posts: 161	Re: Suggestions which FLASH programmer to buy... rtstorm, did you try to erase, program and test large TSOP48 4GB NAND flash chips?

10-12-2014, 05:34 PM	#7
rtstorm Badcaps Veteran Join Date: Feb 2012 City & State: Croatia, Osijek My Country: Croatia Line Voltage: 230V 50Hz I'm a: Knowledge Seeker Posts: 801	Re: Suggestions which FLASH programmer to buy... i did not, most of the time i use them to flash notebook bios. But i also use on MAXIM 29LV008CBTC-70G FLASH MEMORY chip and its doing great.

10-12-2014, 06:06 PM	#8
Agent24 I see dead caps Join Date: Oct 2007 City & State: Hiding inside a plated-through hole My Country: New Zealand Line Voltage: 230VAC 50Hz I'm a: Hobbyist Tech Posts: 4,700	Re: Suggestions which FLASH programmer to buy... Stilling running a parallel-port based Willem here... I don't use it much! __________________ "Tantalum for the brave, Solid Aluminium for the wise, Wet Electrolytic for the adventurous" -David VanHorn

10-12-2014, 09:16 PM	#10
Agent24 I see dead caps Join Date: Oct 2007 City & State: Hiding inside a plated-through hole My Country: New Zealand Line Voltage: 230VAC 50Hz I'm a: Hobbyist Tech Posts: 4,700	Re: Suggestions which FLASH programmer to buy... It works - when you load the right program version.

10-12-2014, 09:34 PM	#11
stj Great Sage 齊天大聖 Join Date: Dec 2009 City & State: Europe My Country: some shithole run by Israeli agents I'm a: Professional Tech Posts: 28,389	Re: Suggestions which FLASH programmer to buy... but it's like, 1hour per chip or something from what i remember!!!

10-12-2014, 09:38 PM	#12
Agent24 I see dead caps Join Date: Oct 2007 City & State: Hiding inside a plated-through hole My Country: New Zealand Line Voltage: 230VAC 50Hz I'm a: Hobbyist Tech Posts: 4,700	Re: Suggestions which FLASH programmer to buy... I guess it would be slower than a USB one. But I haven't seen anything take 1 hour though... but I haven't tried anything over 16Mbit IIRC, which took a few minutes. Most chips I do are very small and are under a minute. I don't even know if it supports anything really huge.. I doubt it.

10-12-2014, 11:23 PM	#13
stj Great Sage 齊天大聖 Join Date: Dec 2009 City & State: Europe My Country: some shithole run by Israeli agents I'm a: Professional Tech Posts: 28,389	Re: Suggestions which FLASH programmer to buy... i'm doing a lot of 32Mbit chips, and i'm glad i'm using a 48XP to do them!

10-13-2014, 09:38 AM	#15
stj Great Sage 齊天大聖 Join Date: Dec 2009 City & State: Europe My Country: some shithole run by Israeli agents I'm a: Professional Tech Posts: 28,389	Re: Suggestions which FLASH programmer to buy... if you just want to do serial nandflash, you can use a modified xd-picturecard reader. those are just nandflash

10-13-2014, 11:29 AM	#16
dj_ricoh Badcaps Veteran Join Date: Jan 2013 City & State: London My Country: uk I'm a: Knowledge Seeker Posts: 2,007	Re: Suggestions which FLASH programmer to buy... yes yes! but how you read the dam HEX file! my head hurts! pfffff __________________ Just cook it! It's already broken.

10-13-2014, 12:42 PM	#17
stj Great Sage 齊天大聖 Join Date: Dec 2009 City & State: Europe My Country: some shithole run by Israeli agents I'm a: Professional Tech Posts: 28,389	Re: Suggestions which FLASH programmer to buy... you mean how to read the chip? well use linux and use the DD command to copy the whole device as sectors to a file. or there are windows programs to do it, but i cant remember the name. keep in mind, you probably cant make sense of the dump, it's only good for cloning. most serial flash uses some type of filesystem. if you dont know the detail you cant mount it and mess with the content. also, writing to flash with errors may be an issue because the error mapping may clash with the dump. these issues arent related to xd-hacks, but effect all nandflash programmers.

10-24-2014, 01:20 PM	#18
Pragmatiko Badcaps Veteran Join Date: Jul 2013 City & State: IT My Country: IT Line Voltage: 220V I'm a: Knowledge Seeker Posts: 420	Re: Suggestions which FLASH programmer to buy... SmartPro X8 😉

10-24-2014, 02:19 PM	#19
Agent24 I see dead caps Join Date: Oct 2007 City & State: Hiding inside a plated-through hole My Country: New Zealand Line Voltage: 230VAC 50Hz I'm a: Hobbyist Tech Posts: 4,700	Re: Suggestions which FLASH programmer to buy... Whichever one has the best software or support. All the fancy hardware in the world won't do anything if they decide to release only some shitty software that only works in Windows 95 or something.

12-18-2014, 12:24 AM	#20
tibimakai Badcaps Veteran Join Date: Jan 2012 City & State: Los Angeles/San Dimas, CA My Country: USA Line Voltage: 120VAC 60Hz I'm a: Knowledge Seeker Posts: 3,480	Re: Suggestions which FLASH programmer to buy... http://www.ebay.com/itm/TNM-2000-USB...-/321207236799 There is a 5000 model also.

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