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![]() You may use WSUSoffline: https://www.wsusoffline.net/
Used to use it to update PCs without connecting them to internet. IIRC, the very last version to support XP was the 9.2.1 but last time used it was somewhere around 2016. YMMV FWIW, there is a web browser still updated in 2020: https://mypal-browser.org/ It's bases in Mozilla Firefox pre-Quantum and compatible with said 'old' extensions. Hope this helps. |
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![]() you can use old browsers with this proxy layer:
https://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=67165 |
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![]() Firefox 52 doesn't even work with some sites. I run that on my older XP/Vista PCs and I can't even view a public transport timetable because the site's timetable section is entirely based around JavaScript that only seems to work on the latest Chrome/tablets/phones etc.
See for yourself with Firefox 52.9.0 ESR: www.ptv.vic.gov.au/timetables If for whatever reason you have a dinosaur PC with an "unsupported" browser like the above, you can't even download a bus timetable as the JavaScript doesn't work properly on it and fails to load anything at all except for a blank page (and of course, they made sure that you couldn't use NoScript for faster loading either, as it will give an error telling you to enable JavaScript, as the site doesn't work without JS enabled anyway). You can't get paper timetables either, because they stopped issuing them due to COVID-19. Not so long ago the site had a "classic" version which retained the older HTML-based pages (with PDF timetables, route maps etc.), but the classic site was shut down last month with everything deleted. Also, YouTube on Firefox 52 runs like molasses in a New York winter, causes the browser to get slower and slower with every video watched until it hangs (with 4GB of RAM installed), and some of the new videos don't even load because it errors out telling me "Your browser does not currently recognize any of the video formats available." (but at least Neutral Drop still works so all is not lost yet). As for the first post, why not just dual-boot? Run modern Windows/Linux etc. for internet access, reboot into XP for Nero. |
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![]() I'm using MyPal on my XP machine, and it's working really nice.
It's receiving updates too. https://www.mypal-browser.org/ |
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The above URL seems to work correctly on MyPal. |
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![]() About that text telling you to enable JS, that means you blocked too much in NoScript. (or eMatrix in Pale Moon)
Same when you get an error message from a player, like "required source could not be found".
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![]() Actually, I just disabled JavaScript in about:config (javascript.enabled = false) to get that message. It's still ridiculous that a website is 100% dependent on every single thing being JavaScript. Whatever happened to plain old HTML?
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![]() IIRC on this site, the only things that won't work with Java disabled are the inline image scaler and some of the dropdown menu functions. The site is otherwise 100% functional & usable.
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I haven't tried it yet, but downloaded it and will likely set it up on a test system soon. Quote:
Glad that at least most government websites here still work (for the most part) even on older browsers. And yes, I use Firefox 52.x ESR on most of my old PCs as well. Indeed there are a number of websites that don't run properly... but for the most part, FF 52 ESR is still somewhat viable option for those who choose to stick to XP and Vista. Well, better than nothing, anyways. Quote:
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As for YouTube... it's become quite a hog these days. I can still run 1080p @ 60 Hz videos on my Athlon II X4 PCs, but high-end Core 2 Duos will stutter somewhat - even on the new FF Quantum engine, which is optimized for multi-core systems. And from what I notice, most of the bloat/slowness is from the streaming part. That is, once a portion (or the whole video) downloads and streaming stops, YT won't be taxing the CPU as much. The worst is when you first load a YT page - all of the ads (even if you're using an ad-blocker) and the panel with "related" videos on the side, along with comments, tends to bog down CPUs easily. Just way too many poorly-written scripts loading at once. That's a mild understatement. ![]() This place is golden! |
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My impressions so far... holy molly! This browser actually works very well! ![]() Moreover, the resource Mypal uses is similar to what Firefox 3.6 did back in the day - i.e. fairly light on RAM and CPU use. I was actually able to go on Youtube and watch 1-2 videos on this slow laptop without issue. Sure it was 360p, but it worked fine. CPU wasn't even at 100% with that. Only after I switched to 480p, it hovered near 100%. Memory-wise, I didn't even think I would be able to browse any modern page without hitting pagefile first with that puny 512 MB of RAM. - Not true. The RAM usage wasn't too high on most pages - around 400-450 MB... and stable at that. With Youtube front page loaded, it went a little past 450 MB and started climbing around 500 MB after watching 1 video. After watching a 2nd video, memory usage was going a bit over 512 MB and into pagefile. But that is still very impressive. This Vaio laptop uses about 200 MB of RAM on the desktop. So Mypal really wasn't taking that much more RAM. In fact, starting Mypal on home page brought RAM usage to only about 300-ish MB. Compare that to Firefox 52.9 ESR, where I can't even get the browser to start on a machine with 512 MB of RAM without hitting the pagefile (i.e. going over 512 MB.) And I tested this even on an old P3 laptop that sits at 80 MB of memory while on the desktop - same deal (I hit pagefile / over 512 MB just starting FF 52.9 ESR.) I suspect 1 GB of RAM would be plenty for general basic browsing with Mypal. I am very impressed with Mypal so far. The only thing is I still haven't done is find how to get Adblock Plus to work properly - most likely just have to look for a download of the last version that supported whatever engine Mypal is based on off of FF. I tried an early version of ABP, and it didn't quite work. So I still need to experiment and test things in regards to that. But otherwise, it looks like I might be able to stay on XP for a few more years. Holy crap, this is getting ridiculous - when will I abandon XP?! ![]() Last edited by momaka; 01-20-2021 at 08:52 PM.. |
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![]() I've been looking for an updated old school browser, I will be trying this in a VM shortly
I play some XP only PC games, to date running them in an XP VM has worked fine. You need to reboot the VM in safe mode to install DirectX but after that they run fine. Last edited by SluggerB; 02-08-2021 at 02:17 PM.. |
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![]() I will repeat myself...
Dual core x64 capable system with 4GB+ can be found even for 50$ Everything is becoming heavier and older machines are becoming obsolete. Win7 is not so far away from WindowsXP and most machines can be upgraded. About Win10 - I don't like it either. If the browsers stop supporting Win7, most likely I will completely switch to Linux, unless Microsoft fixes this garbage, which they call operating system. And I don't see this happening any time soon.
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https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-fo...egacy/releases Works like a charm and is more light in resources (back in the day was the reason for which I replaced ABP). Also, I will suggest the Classic Add-ons Archive: https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive As per description: This catalog contains 93,598 versions of 19,450 Firefox add-ons created by 14,274 developers over the past 15 years using XUL/XPCOM technology before Mozilla decided to ruin the classic extensions ecosystem and go exclusively to WebExtensions. |
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![]() I tried that mypal browser on a Windows 7 VM and it looks great! I'l going to do a test across the sites I use most and it if works well so long Chrome.
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![]() ^ That I can't argue with. I like the old UI better too.
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