High Pressure Sodium Yard light when air conditioner turns light momentarily turns of

[sam_sam_sam]

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No. It's the wrong value at 0.033uF and your pic and measurements are 0.33uF or 10x bigger. The lead spacing I see 22.5mm for the old part and PC board, or it will accomodate 15mm.

B32922C3334M000
495-2321-ND
CAP FILM 0.33uF 20% 630VDC X2 305VAC LS=15mm.

But I think replacing the cap will change nothing because the lamp starts OK and its value is still in spec.
You have to replace the trigger Sidactor D1. Board says "G080xx" what part number is there.
Digi-Key still has the K1200 in many different packages too.

Thanks for pointing out my mistake I going to order the right value because I also need some other value capacitors anyway

[redwire]

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Are you going to replace the semiconductor? I think you have to. Although that starter is not so great for quality, the HV trigger transformer should be potted.
Some ballasts even stuff those starter parts inside the main inductor. There is a big 28uF cap for some reason.
The other board is for a bigger 150W-400W lamp and note it uses a real thyristor.

[sam_sam_sam]

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The unit that I have dose not that type of ignitor it has this type
Now one of the replacement parts high pressure sodium light fixture parts has the round potted ignitor which has a 35 - 120 watt light bulbs and I have a couple of new 100 watt bulbs and a 100 ballast that look fairly new I just have to find my other the E39 light socket fixture and put it back into working order again

The replacement part that are new that I bought online from a eBay seller I put into the light fixture that I have had for many years now and they do not make this version anymore but it is a much better looking light fixture that is the reason I want to fix this light fixtures I have another one that is very similar but the light shade is cracked but I going J B welded it back together if I can find another 70 watt repair kit from another seller

[sam_sam_sam]

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https://www.ebay.com/itm/256137223968

Here is the replacement that has the ballast transform and igniter

Update on this replacement parts for the lamp fixture that I had issues with so far this repair has been successful and I am pleased that it working

I will get the replacement parts for the igniter board tomorrow by FedEx so I will see if replacing the capacitor will resolve the issue because I had replaced the diode already and it still was doing it just not as often

[sam_sam_sam]

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I will get the replacement parts for the igniter board tomorrow by FedEx so I will see if replacing the capacitor will resolve the issue because I had replaced the diode already and it still was doing it just not as often

I installed the new capacitor and now it does not cycle on and off when the air conditioner comes on so the capacitor must have been a little week that when the voltage dropped a little bit it would cycle on and off I also think that the diode was also an issue as well

Because when I put the original high pressure sodium bulb in it was still cycling on and off every couple of minutes so the bulb was not very good either ( but it was not doing it with the original capacitor but was doing it when the air conditioner would cycle on ) because when I put the new bulb in with the repairs done to the board now the light fixture is back to normal

One note this is shorter than the original one but the igniter board has two holes on one side to accommodate the two different size capacitors

[sam_sam_sam]

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B32922C3334M000
495-2321-ND
CAP FILM 0.33uF 20% 630VDC X2 305VAC LS=15mm.

Thank you for the part number and the thoughts about replacing the capacitor I personally had my doubts about weather or not it would make a difference or not but for some reason it does seem to make a difference

I had an idea that there might be issue with the transformer because of varnish on the outside of the transformer compared to the new transformer and sometimes you could hear something going on with the windings when first turning on the power you do not have that noise either

The weird thing about the original capacitor and the original light bulb is that the light only cycles when the air conditioner would turn on however when replacing the capacitor and putting original light bulb it would get real bright and then cycle back to being dim for a few seconds then get real bright and again the new light bulb is not as bright but it does not cycle on and off

[redwire]

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There are many variables such as temperature, mains voltage, lamp temperature, age of the lamp etc. it is really difficult to troubleshoot exactly why the old ballast was restarting when the A/C turned on.

The old cap might have a problem at full voltage, or the lamp is simply worn out, or the Sidactor was old and firing at the wrong voltage. A ballast with shorted turns I have not found a way to test them. They get abused, run so hot and cheaply made. A Ring Tester might work though.

[sam_sam_sam]

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A ballast with shorted turns I have not found a way to test them. They get abused, run so hot and cheaply made. A Ring Tester might work though.

Now I really think about this you are right about the fact that the ballast gets really hot I will have to try the ring tester on and see if it tells me anything about being shorted or not when I have some time and I can remember where I used it last I will check it

I know that the bulb has issues with it because it gets really bright and cycling on and off but that the new capacitor but with the original capacitor it just cycled when the air conditioner cycled on so I do not know exactly what this issue is I have not seen this type of issue before

[sam_sam_sam]

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Well when I recapped the second high pressure sodium light fixture this the one that I mentioned earlier that when the light starts to come on the transformer vibrates a little bit and then settles down and works like normal well it still does that but it is a lot shorter in duration than before so I have come to the conclusion that the capacitor must be weak on these boards when the fixture has many hours of use so when I run across this issue again I know to change both the diode and the capacitor and possibly a new light bulb as well

[petehall347]

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think there is a set amount of hours for the bulbs and they say change them at whatever the hours are .

[sam_sam_sam]

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You are very right about this but I just leave them in there until they start giving problems then I will get a replacement bulb or if another bulb in another fixture is not showing signs of failure issues then I assume that there is an issue with the light fixture itself which might not be the best way to do this I really do not have an answer for this question at this point in time

[Huscarl17]

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We have about a dozen of HPS 70 watt outside fixtures at our strip mall. Installed in 1976. Constance maintenance of bulbs and the ballast. All repairs 15 feet up on a ladder.

Last summer we started rebuilding the fixtures to use corn cob 100 Watt eq direct wire LED bulbs. Left the old electronics in place and 120 V AC and neutral direct to bulb socket. About half the cost of HPS bulb and new electronics kit and 50K hours warranty.

Same thing inside with ~ 100 two tube 8 ft florescent and ballast. Replaced with 2 8 ft LED tubes, rewire fixture and remove old ballast. Again half the cost, lower power use, less heat and 50K warranty on the tubes.

NO Hg clean up if a tube brakes.

[stj]

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now wait and see.
the problem with a lot of led lights - not all but a lot, is the lifespan is pretty fucking far from what they promise.
also they generally cant compete for Lumens.

[redwire]

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LED lighting is not magic and long lasting.

Double check that marketing claim "50,000-hour lifetime" verses the actual "warranty". You can see how hot the corn cob runs in the fixture with little air circulation. The semiconductors, the capacitor's, the LED's, the phosphor - all age and can't take the heat well. The lamps go dim, turn purple or just outright fail. Many of them are even using cooling fans, as if that will last for years.

I did see some warranties are like 3 years for the LED's only and 2 years for the power supply, or "Lamp warranty does not apply to vapor-tight fixture applications", or "maximum of 4,380 hours/year (equal to 12 hours/day, 365 days/year)" kind of loopholes.
GE: "Life 50,000 hour rated" = "... warranty five (5) years from the date of manufacture, and (ii) 22,000 hours of operation."

For an LED lamp warranty claim, factor in your time+labour and shipping the fixture off and see how much that will cost.

Detroit's new LED cobrahead streetlights that died 10yr warranty, it was a fiasco. Detroit's Public Lighting Authority had to sue Leotek Electronics and the Korean LED (lite-on) company.
But who would pay to take them out and replace them? Not part of any warranty and the city had contracted the streetlamp service to a third-party. I think they got $4M of $7-9M costs. So sad.

Surprisingly, HPS can still give LED's a run for the money and is at least repairable.
Keystone seems to have a good product line.

[sam_sam_sam]

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Surprisingly, HPS can still give LED's a run for the money and is at least repairable.
Keystone seems to have a good product line.

I have seen them at Home Depot but I was not sure of their quality and weather or not it was worth the money

These are not Keystone brand but Feit Electric brand I do not anything about there quality as far as the LED Cob light ( but these you have to remove the ballast from the fixture to be able to use them ( I have thought about trying one and see if it is worth the money or not)

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Feit-Ele...HDRP/312523993

I have to ask have you used there products your self

[sam_sam_sam]

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Same thing inside with ~ 100 two tube 8 ft florescent and ballast. Replaced with 2 8 ft LED tubes, rewire fixture and remove old ballast. Again half the cost, lower power use, less heat and 50K warranty on the tubes.

I am not impressed with the quality of the ones that you remove the ballast wiring I personally have better results from the type that you leave the ballast in place and used them like had before I had one set last at least 6 years and it runs at least 40 hours a week ( 32280 hours they are rated 36000 hours so I came very close over even maybe little bit more than that ) one note the light output was a little higher than the set that I have now in this light fixture these are

This is the type that I use

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Philips-...2100/308735129

I work at a place that use the type that you remove the ballast and they start failing about 6 months later granted they are running for at least 20 hours a day 5 to 6 days a week but still that not good results

[petehall347]

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led are crap .. well they wouldn't be so bad if run on lower current .whoever designed these things needs shooting . they run them far too hot at max rated power . not even a nice light to my eyes .

[sam_sam_sam]

Re: High Pressure Sodium Yard light when air conditioner turns light momentarily turn

led are crap .. well they wouldn't be so bad if run on lower current .whoever designed these things needs shooting . they run them far too hot at max rated power . not even a nice light to my eyes .

I wonder how easy it would be to lower the current of these LED lightbulbs

[Topcat]

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LED lighting is not magic and long lasting.

This....and one of the reason I won't replace my HID (metal halide) garage lighting for LED.

For household stuff, LED is fine....but for high brightness situations (industrial, street lighting, etc), they've got some more maturing to do.

[CapLeaker]

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I’ve got 2 ceiling light fixtures that are identical housing 2 bulbs each. Now in one light fixture one certain A19 holder eats LED bulbs for breakfast. I put a old CCFL back in and no problems at all. Go figure.