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  • dennis_elx33
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    • May 2019
    • 32
    • Malaysia

    #1

    NO BODY MARKING Diode

    Hello Everyone,
    I have 1 diode on a circuit that I suspected to be faulty because the forward and reverse bias has a voltage drop reading.
    While compared to the reading of another diode from the next channel it won't read at reverse bias.
    Now the problem is; it does not have any body marking.
    So I tried to sketch the diagram and found out that it is connected to the base and collector of the C3632 transistor.
    What do you think is this diode?
    Can you please suggest what part number can i use to replace this faulty diode instead?

    Hoping that you can help me on this. Click image for larger version

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    Thank you so mch!
  • Answer selected by dennis_elx33 at 06-14-2024, 07:24 PM.
    harp
    Badcaps Veteran
    • Jun 2022
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    This is likely to be 1N4148, small glass signal diode, very common, and probably not your problem - failt diodes tends to be shorted.
    The silk screen have symbol of diode and marking D.
    Last edited by harp; 06-14-2024, 06:44 AM.

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    • lotas
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      • Jan 2016
      • 4532
      • Russia

      #2

      It is soldered in parallel to the transistor (this is the result).... If in doubt, you need to raise at least one pin and check it in the circuit.​

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      • harp
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        • Jun 2022
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        #3
        This is likely to be 1N4148, small glass signal diode, very common, and probably not your problem - failt diodes tends to be shorted.
        The silk screen have symbol of diode and marking D.
        Last edited by harp; 06-14-2024, 06:44 AM.

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        • dennis_elx33
          Member
          • May 2019
          • 32
          • Malaysia

          #4
          lotas yes, i removed it already and measured stand alone. Also have tried to inject voltage to check if it is a normal diode or zener diode. But it seems that it is a normal diode because the voltage drop i read versus the voltage supplied is still same even i injected up to 6VDC already.

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          • dennis_elx33
            Member
            • May 2019
            • 32
            • Malaysia

            #5
            harp thank you so much! Will try your suggestion out😇 by the way, is there any risk if i use the 1N4148 directly and test the unit at the machine?

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            • harp
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              • Jun 2022
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              #6
              I dont know, probably not shuld be any catastrofic risk... but, if you tested your diode out from circuit, and it is good, I suggest you that you put back like it is be.
              If on pcb find only one mark ZD or symbol of zenner on silk screen, that mean that for sure your diode is not zenner. Zenner diode in glass package often have colored ring or two, like yellow, green or so...

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              • lotas
                Badcaps Legend
                • Jan 2016
                • 4532
                • Russia

                #7
                Originally posted by harp
                The silk screen have symbol of diode and marking D.
                Not all companies designate zener diodes on boards with the symbol Z, ZD.., they can all be designated D (in my opinion, a 7.5v zener diode is designated as D.
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                • harp
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                  • Jun 2022
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                  #8
                  Lotas, nice catch!

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                  • dennis_elx33
                    Member
                    • May 2019
                    • 32
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                    #9
                    Thank you so much guys!
                    To make things clear, I attached herewith the images of the faulty diode (channel 1) versus the good diode (channel 2).

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                    • CapLeaker
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                      • Dec 2014
                      • 8070
                      • Canada

                      #10
                      Originally posted by lotas
                      Not all companies designate zener diodes on boards with the symbol Z, ZD.., they can all be designated D (in my opinion, a 7.5v zener diode is designated as D.
                      This is correct. I noticed that a long time ago as well.

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                      • kasfamily
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                        • Aug 2014
                        • 765
                        • Russia

                        #11
                        Yes, there were times before and all the details were marked on the board.
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                        • harp
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                          • Jun 2022
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                          #12
                          Yes, the diode is faulty. Have you noticed what Lotas pointed out, that on other diode is marking "7.5", so if you check with supply, voltage must be higher than 6v. Normaly zenner tester have about 50v and 1 or 10mA on probes.
                          Check, maybe your faulty diode has marking oriented to pcb side?
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                          • R_J
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                            • Jun 2012
                            • 9535
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                            #13
                            Any chance that you could provide the Make and Model ? or what equipment this board is used in?

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                            • dennis_elx33
                              Member
                              • May 2019
                              • 32
                              • Malaysia

                              #14
                              Hello R_J, attached herewith is the photo of the board.




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                              • dennis_elx33
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                                • May 2019
                                • 32
                                • Malaysia

                                #15
                                Hello All,

                                I was trying to post a new thread but i couldn't find the button for a new thread.

                                Anyway, i would like to post an interesting topic regarding 3-phase stepdown transformer which we suspect to cause an overcurrent (138A) which caused the High voltage power supply to tripped off.


                                Problem statement: Power tripped with inrush current of 138A.
                                Initial findings: low ohm L2 to L3 input voltage (25ohm)
                                Defects: IGBT and Diode shorted

                                Question: is this a normal resistance reading for the transformer at L2 to L3 reading?
                                Red Probe Black Probe Reading
                                L1 ( P7) L2 (P6) 51.29K Ohm
                                L1 (P7) L3 (P8) 51.31K Ohm
                                L2 (P6) L3 (P8) 23.3 Ohm
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                                • R_J
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                                  • Jun 2012
                                  • 9535
                                  • Canada

                                  #16
                                  The DC resistance of transformer windings can be low resistance.
                                  It looks like a single tapped primary, so it will be connected across one phase of the three phase likely between L2 and L3, I suspect there is a line voltage select switch somewhere as well to switch between 208, 220, 240 input

                                  one phase should connect to 0 on the transformer and one of the other phases should connect to one of the taps on the primary depending on the a/c voltage of that phase (likely 240 in your country)

                                  Maybe a mod can move this to a new thread for you
                                  Last edited by R_J; 12-01-2024, 12:00 PM.

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                                  • kasfamily
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                                    • Aug 2014
                                    • 765
                                    • Russia

                                    #17
                                    Originally posted by dennis_elx33
                                    Hello All,

                                    I was trying to post a new thread but i couldn't find the button for a new [/ATTACH]​
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                                    • dennis_elx33
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                                      • May 2019
                                      • 32
                                      • Malaysia

                                      #18
                                      Hello R_J and kasfamily thank you so much..I will post it in a new thread..i will add some update as well.

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